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2 190 23_Kippah-less In Tel-Aviv12_Amnon Hadary22_amriv@netvision.net.il31_Mon, 01 Jan 2001 18:51:06 +0200605_iso-8859-1 Haverim/ot On the eighth day of Hanukkah, "Meitar" the College of Judaism as a Culture (read Israeli Secularism) held a three session marathon in Tel-Aviv. The featured speaker was author, Amos Oz. The venue was the small (300 seat ) auditorium of Tel-Aviv municipality, a bow-shot away from the place where an assassin gunned down Yitzhak Rabin. Oz's topic "Finding Favor in God's Eyes: Hebrew Literature, Its Spirit or its Letter " What follows is not so much a verbatim record of the wizardry of Oz as my reflexive association with his text. As an author he is understandably concerned [...]
193 22 15_Women for Peace14_Albert Kaufman18_ahk@cablespeed.com30_Mon, 1 Jan 2001 14:22:47 -0800471_iso-8859-1 Hi Deb,
Thanks for posting the news about the rally in Jerusalem. Sounds like it was a very moving event.
Albert Seattle
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216 35 8_workshop8_Ephraims14_cbma@erols.com31_Mon, 01 Jan 2001 21:00:24 +0000510_us-ascii A friend (who is on workshop) of my son (who is not) called a few nights ago to say hi. She told me that several workshoppers came home for a visit and are going back. What exactly is the nature of the workshop program these days? I know that when I logged on to Habonet, there was a lot of discussion about the fact that in years previous, kids who could afford it took a side trip to Poland. This strikes me the same way. Is the program so diluted that the absence of a group of chaverim for a [...]
252 42 12_Re: workshop10_Elon Shore17_erufus2@yahoo.com36_Mon, 1 Jan 2001 18:15:58 -0800 (PST)580_us-ascii Dear Shelly and the entire Habonim community, My name is Rufus and I am currently co-Rosh Ken of the Philly area. This past week, I attended winter seminar in Blairstown NJ. There, we were presented with the exact same problem as you have presented to the community. Though I can only speak for my national Kevutzah, I believe that the idealogy is being placed back into the movement. It has changed in many ways, especially the Workshop program which I hope to venture on in the coming year. THe emphasis has been placed more on an urban socialist community rather [...]
295 58 25_Fwd: The Familiar Midrash12_Judith Tumin18_judith@heschel.org31_Mon, 01 Jan 2001 21:39:22 -0500559_US-ASCII Thought you might appreciate the irony of this
The Familiar Midrash
Once there were two brothers, each with a farm on the opposite side of the same hill. The first had a family - It came to be that, during the harvest, the first brother said to himself, "I have a wife, sons, and daughters to help during the harvest while my brother has no one to help. " So late at night, he would sneak over the hill to his brother's farm and leave bags of grain. Now, at about the same time, the second brother said to himself, [...]
354 27 12_Re: workshop0_15_DebALev@aol.com28_Mon, 1 Jan 2001 21:51:55 EST286_US-ASCII I would really be interested in the process of how they came to the conclusions they did....how did they decide who could go home for a visit? Was it financed by a kupa, or was it just for those who had the private funds to do so? And what were the criteria for choosing? [...]
382 18 24_Re: The Familiar Midrash0_15_DebALev@aol.com28_Mon, 1 Jan 2001 21:54:13 EST436_US-ASCII Or a Republican-dominated Congress.......or.........a US election
Great story, Judith! thanks!
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401 42 33_Re: did Herzl consider the Arabs?0_14_Gezer2@aol.com28_Mon, 1 Jan 2001 22:22:16 EST564_US-ASCII To all the chevra who are disturbed by the events in Israel,
Reading Tom Segev's new book, One Palestine, Complete, has certainly been an eye opener for me. Having lived in Israel for so long I have come to the conclusion that if you are going to live there, then your primary goal besides survival must be to activly search for ways to build links to the Palestinians. The Zionists failed to do this and all of us are paying the price. If there is any interest left in building bridges with our neighbors, perhaps this book will convince you [...]
444 280 66_time for a palestinian peace initiative - by Gershon Baskin, Ph.D.13_julia chaitin20_jchaitin@urim.org.il30_Tue, 2 Jan 2001 05:55:06 -0100415_windows-1255 Hi All,
Dr. Gershon Baskin - the Israeli co-director of IPCRI - Israel/Palestine Center for Research and Information sent out this letter. IPCRI is the oldest joint Israeli-Palestinian public-policy think tank that works toward peace. IPCRI is very well respected in both Palestine & Israel for they do.
Thought this would be of interest. It's long - you might want to print it out. [...]
725 56 27_Re: Kippah-less In Tel-Aviv17_Martin J. Goodman19_mgoodman@012.net.il30_Tue, 2 Jan 2001 10:30:58 +0200645_windows-1255 2 January 2000
In Habonet Digest 1759, Amnon comments on the dearth of Orthodox Jews at an Amos Oz lecture in Tel Aviv. This should not come as a surprise.
Oz is the quintessential liberal Israeli intellectual. He believes that Israel should return the West Bank, Gaza, and the Golan. He believes that most, if not all, Jewish settlements should be handed over to the Palestinians. He believes that the Ministry of Religion that provides services to Israel's Orthodox community should be disbanded. He believes that the dispensation from military service for yeshiva bochurs should be cancelled. He believes that [...]
782 22 33_Re: did Herzl consider the Arabs?14_Heshi Gorewitz19_gorewitz@evolve.net31_Tue, 02 Jan 2001 09:32:44 -0500513_us-ascii Happy New Year! Can't wait to see you guys. We made a reservation at the Days Inn for Saturday nite. Hopefully you will also be there so that we can hang out. Love from all Heshi
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805 136 23_Kippah-less In Tel-Aviv11_Bruce Arbit17_BARBIT@abdata.com30_Tue, 2 Jan 2001 08:47:09 -0600529_iso-8859-1 Dear Amnon,
Without you Habonet would be a dreary wasteland. You single handedly remain the number one madrich. There is always great education behind every piece you write. One of the jobs of a good student however, is to keep his teacher honest.
Last things first. You wrote:
"Talk about the fact that less, far less, than one percent of the visitors to the memorial site near Tel-Aviv municipality or to Rabin's grave in Jerusalem wear kippot, and then pray for the safety of Ehud Barak." [...]
942 39 14_Kahane's ideas13_Yuval Warshai16_warshais@tir.com30_Tue, 2 Jan 2001 13:45:24 -0500578_Windows-1252 Shalom,
I have read in this list in the past a number of messages defending the criminal mass-murderer Baruch Goldstein, trying to exonerate him from guilt, and even extolling his qualities as a human being and as a physician who treated Palestinians in need of medical help.
In two supposedly reliable media reports about the killing yesterday of Binyamin Zeev Kahane and his wife in the West Bank, the son of the infamous founder of the JDL in the US and of Kach in Israel - the late Meir Kahane [and I lament and decry and condemn the loss of [...]
982 84 28_Palestinian school textbooks13_Yuval Warshai16_warshais@tir.com30_Tue, 2 Jan 2001 14:17:02 -0500667_Windows-1252 Shalom,
As this issue has been discussed on this list in the past and also inquired about, I am copying new information just released by Shalom Achshav on the current status of the issue below:
-----copied material-----
PALESTINIAN TEXTBOOK REVIEW, PART I: Anti-Semitic material in Palestinian school textbooks has been a source of concern across the Israeli political spectrum for many years. But the Harry S Truman Research Institute for the Advancement of Peace at Hebrew University, led by Dr. Ruth Firer, is slated to issue a new report on Palestinian textbooks concluding that the Palestinians are being unfairly targeted [...]
1067 170 26_And even more on the issue11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@mjds.org30_Tue, 2 Jan 2001 15:28:05 -0600684_ISO-8859-1
This article is from Haaretz of January 2, 2001. rozzie
What did you study in school today, Palestinian child?
By Akiva Eldar
After the sovereignty on the Temple Mount and the Palestinian right of return, the debate is now turning to the textbooks, the poisonous material brainwashing the young minds of school children in the territories. Even the firmest supporters of the left have a problem with the anti-Semitic quotes that Jewish organizations and right-wing research institutes find in the textbooks used by our partners in peace.Their huge advertisements, published in newspapers in Israel and the United States, remind us [...]
1238 345 42_Fw: Arutz-7 News: Tuesday, January 2, 20017_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il30_Tue, 2 Jan 2001 22:41:06 +0200585_iso-8859-1 I found the news below that only 9 months ago Israel again supplied the PLO with 300 Kalashnikov machine guns absolutely shocking -- Jews in Israel are being shot with guns we supplied to the Arabs! Jews have been accused of being filthy, scheming, thievery, treachery, unfaithful, Christ killers, but we have never before been accused of being stupid. pearl ----- Original Message ----- From: Arutz-7 Editor To: Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 6:33 PM Subject: Arutz-7 News: Tuesday, January 2, 2001 [...]
1584 18 18_Re: Kahane's ideas0_17_Smfgrappa@aol.com28_Tue, 2 Jan 2001 17:41:22 EST544_US-ASCII Baruch Goldstein was an active member of Kahane Chai. This has been reported as recently as three days ago by the New York Times. It was also widely reported at the time of the incident at Ma arat Ha machpela.
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1603 28 27_RE: Kippah-less In Tel-Aviv12_Fine, Sharon14_FineS@MLHS.ORG30_Tue, 2 Jan 2001 18:19:52 -0500541_- However, I am confident that if Chiloni Israelis would invest even a small > percentage of the effort that they invest for achieving a settlement with > the Palestinians to achieving a reconciliation between Chilonim and > Haredim, > the ideological/theological Berlin wall between Chilonim and Haredim would > not seem so impenetrable.> > As with the Israeli-Palestinian situation, there has to be an equal effort at reconciliation from both sides. -Sharon [...]
1632 70 24_Workshop and visits home11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@erols.com31_Tue, 02 Jan 2001 20:44:31 -0500573_us-ascii Dear Chevre-
Let's think about the reality of 2001 before we decide that today's youth have lost their way because people came home for a week from workshop. I know that many workshop parents traveled to Israel this winter. Travel is very cheap and families are very worried. Many parents would really like their kids home for good. I know one family who is there now, hoping that they will be reassured that all is relatively well. But every time I saw them this fall, they've been so anxious, it is palpable. There has never been a kupa for parental [...]
1703 128 11_Monthly FAQ12_Jennifer Kay19_kay@elvis.rowan.edu31_Wed, 03 Jan 2001 02:32:02 -0500421_- Actually-from:BCooper@descartes.com
Hi Chevre,
Here is a reminder of the "essential" commands that you can use to configure your subscription to Habonet. I will post this monthly from now on. Please note -- The address for commands is: listproc@shamash.org whereas the address for posts to the list is: habonet@shamash.org If you need any help with any of it, send me an email: BCooper@descartes.com [...]
1832 73 27_Re: Kippah-less In Tel-Aviv0_15_NEVETS2@aol.com28_Wed, 3 Jan 2001 12:21:17 EST350_US-ASCII
In a message dated 1/3/01 12:12:57 AM, Bruce Arbit writes:
<< The orthodox do not need another bashing, least of all by someone as capable as you. If the secular of Israel would stop voting their tachat first and Am second the orthodox would find their appropriate role once again in Israeli life. >> [...]
1906 22 26_O'Brother, Where Art Thou?11_Roslyn Lang26_langr@gunet.georgetown.edu31_Wed, 03 Jan 2001 14:36:54 -0500505_US-ASCII Amnon, many thanks for the review of this movie. I saw the film last week, and was very impressed to find a movie maker so taken with the "old timee" American music that I love. I have an old record of "Oh, Death, won't you spare me over for another year," but have never heard it played on radio or elsewhere, so was astonished to hear it again. Of course the open truck of singers passing by the radio station was the Carter family - very cute. Enjoyed the film; loved the music! Roz Lang [...]
1929 22 28_Re: Workshop and visits home0_22_Richardrdsmith@aol.com28_Wed, 3 Jan 2001 18:00:49 EST482_US-ASCII Judy, how many workshoppers left during your workshop because there was a war going on? I may be wrong but I think it was none. During the war against Iraq in '91 many workshoppers came home, in fact, I believe Habonim paid for them to return stateside and there wasn't even a war going on in Israel. In fact many of my madrichim went to Israel during the Yom Kippur War, they didn't leave when things got a little dangerous. Shelly's concerns were right on the mark. [...]
1952 36 28_Gilboa site is back and more11_Batel Libes25_batel_libes@earthlink.net31_Wed, 03 Jan 2001 23:49:14 -0800577_us-ascii Shalom, After having the domain name for Machane Gilboa usurped and off-line for a while, the site is back up and can be found at: http://www.campgilboa.org. The site can also be linked-to from the Habonim-Dror home page and other machanot pages.
As the registration season for summer camps approaches, I would like to call on all Habonim members to help promote Gilboa. There are many of us who are either living on the West Coast and have children ready for machane, or know of someone who is. Those of us in other parts of the country can also help. As [...]
1989 127 22_refugees problem essay13_Yuval Warshai16_warshais@tir.com30_Thu, 4 Jan 2001 11:48:10 -0500377_Windows-1252 An extremely well crafted, well informed, and well thought out introduction to the wide parameters of the regufee problem and their demanded right of return, written by Danny Rubinstein, and published today in Ha'aretz. I'm copying it below in simple text format for everyone's benefit. ___ |Y| ^^^
-----beginning of material copied from Ha'aretz----- [...]
2117 27 26_Re: refugees problem essay22_Deborah M Tanzer-Cohen15_candeb@juno.com30_Thu, 4 Jan 2001 11:03:38 -0600564_- Chevre, An excellent opinion piece on the topic of Palestinian readiness for peace and statehood appears in this week's U.S. News and World Report. If I were computer literate enough to do so, I would scan in it to this message for you. Alas, you will have to find it yourselves, but it will well be worth the trouble. Debbie ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. [...]
2145 250 51_Fw: Background to the "Palestinian Right to Return"7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il30_Fri, 5 Jan 2001 02:18:09 +0200659_iso-8859-1 Reading the following really returned me to perspective. It should be read by everyone who cares about Israel. pearl ----- Original Message ----- From: jkatz To: Informal Aliyah discussion group Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 11:08 PM Subject: OFF-TOPIC Background to the "Palestinian Right to Return"
> For many who aren't familiar with the background of details of the > "Palestinian Right to Return" claim here are some facts. > > #1 The League of Nations set up the Palestinian Mandate to > provide a home for the Jewish people, approximately 12 million > people in 1900s. > [...]
2396 113 36_Leaving Workshop in a Time of Crisis11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@erols.com31_Thu, 04 Jan 2001 14:32:58 -0500440_us-ascii Dear Richard-
We had someone leave our workshop almost immediately when he discovered that kibbutz life had little in common with NYC.
We had another guy completely freak out and have what amounted to a total nervous breakdown in the bomb shelter. It was really horrible to be living in close quarters and watch it happen. He was shipped home on the 3rd day of the war. And he was much belittled by our madrich. [...]
2510 28 28_Re: Workshop and visits home12_Ellen Barkon20_ejbarkon@dellnet.com30_Thu, 4 Jan 2001 23:04:46 -0500419_iso-8859-1 Actually, one (Jesse) left from Ma'ayan Baruch! I'm pretty sure it was privately paid ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 6:00 PM Subject: Re: Workshop and visits home
> Judy, how many workshoppers left during your workshop because there was a war > going on? I may be wrong but I think it was none. > > [...]
2539 30 51_Re: Background to the "Palestinian Right to Return"13_Yuval Warshai16_warshais@tir.com30_Fri, 5 Jan 2001 11:43:38 -0500614_iso-8859-1 Pearl's 'history' of the Arab-Israeli conflict does not mention the Peel Commission report of 1937, that first established the partition principle, or even the UN Partition resolution of 1949. Of course, it is not by chance. There is no point in going into the 'historical' details of that 'document' [who knows where it comes from, possibly from some dark cellar in Jerusalem where some crazies are planning right now the blow-up of the Mosques in the upcoming war]. It is not a serious historical document, it is rather a very serious political document. If the views expressed by this dangerous [...]
2570 21 28_Re: Workshop and visits home0_17_JackNusan@aol.com28_Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:17:48 EST469_US-ASCII I remember and i should write about it--the Cuban Missile Crisis (now, that was a crisis!) in 1962-63. People left Gesher Haziv. A few people , not very many. I don't know who paid for it. I wanted to leave as well. I was only 17 years old! but my Dad said, boychik, stay in Israel, it's safer there! (than in America where for you younger chevreh, we faced nuclear annihilation by the way so everything is relative!---Age has its comforts--Jackie Porter [...]
2592 290 29_Kippah-less in Tel Aviv Redux11_Bruce Arbit17_BARBIT@abdata.com30_Fri, 5 Jan 2001 21:31:33 -0600406_iso-8859-1 Chaver Steve Hayakar,
Thank you for your kind words of suggesting that I am on Amnon's level. I am not on Amnon's level. I had the privilege of sitting literally at Amnon's feet 29 years ago in Jerusalem and again now in cyber space. Amnon is the Madrich. Not a Madrich. THE MADRICH. He is a Jewish educator par excellance. There is always a real message in everything that he says. [...]
2883 73 23_Re: HABONET digest 176317_Martin J. Goodman19_mgoodman@012.net.il30_Sat, 6 Jan 2001 11:25:01 +0200362_windows-1255 6 January 2001
I agreed with and enjoyed Bruce Arbit's comments in Habonet Digest 1763 regarding the status of Orthodox Judaism in Israel and regarding the farcical negotiations between SHAS and the government at a time that Israel's viability as a state is at stake.
That said, I would like to take this opportunity to nit-pick. [...]
2957 74 30_Re: chasing a half baked peace0_15_NEVETS2@aol.com28_Sat, 6 Jan 2001 11:56:48 EST445_US-ASCII
In a message dated 1/6/01 12:10:32 AM, Chaver Bruce writes:
<< It is 2001. The State of Israel is at a terrible crossroads....It feels that Barak is chasing a peace whose time has not yet come >>
But we and they have come a very long way since the start of Camp David. The issues are laid before all of us in a way unimaginable back in June 2000. Refugees, Jerusalem, Settlements. In all their complex glory. [...]
3032 32 19_Re: the klutz kasha0_15_NEVETS2@aol.com28_Sat, 6 Jan 2001 11:57:07 EST460_US-ASCII
In a message dated 1/6/01 12:10:32 AM, Chaver Bruce writes:
<< What I am is a slightly petulant student. I only want to goad Amnon into a better answer when I think that there is more to say. I am very good at the klutz kasha. >>
Chaver Steve responds:
What I am is a slightly petulant student. I only want to goad Bruce into a better answer when I think that there is more to say. I am very good at the klutz kasha. [...]
3065 309 55_Re: traitors and the Parents' Circle Hunger Strike Tent7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il30_Sat, 6 Jan 2001 18:18:48 +0200639_iso-8859-1 since when do Efrat and Beth El have bad PR? The opposite is true. pearl ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 1:11 AM Subject: Re: traitors and the Parents' Circle Hunger Strike Tent
> In a message dated 12/17/00 11:46:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, > skolnik@netvision.net.il writes: > > << > SAm, shavua tov, > It is widely understood that some of the settlements will be abandoned, but > not all those you mention. Efrat or Beth El, for instance, probably will > not be abandoned. There must be negotiations for closing down [...]
3375 51 51_Re: Background to the "Palestinian Right to Return"7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il30_Sat, 6 Jan 2001 20:46:59 +0200490_iso-8859-1 this was not my history of the conflict, but something I read on internet and passed on. There was food for thought in it, and I resent being identified with something with which I do not agree. It was Ehud Barak who told the army to prepare for total war, not Arik Sharon. pearl ----- Original Message ----- From: Yuval Warshai To: Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 6:43 PM Subject: Re: Background to the "Palestinian Right to Return" [...]
3427 87 42_John Ashcroft and Gail Norton at Starbucks0_17_Smfgrappa@aol.com28_Sat, 6 Jan 2001 19:32:24 EST433_US-ASCII I met a nice lady at Starbucks and offered a free CD if she would just write her Senator and urge him ( Arlen Spector ) to oppose John Ascroft for Attorney General and Gail Norton for Secretary of the Interior. To my delight she actually did that. I have deleted her last name because(, well you know,) but her letter was so cool that if any of you guys feel so moved to write your Senators that would be really great. [...]
3515 23 27_Re: Kippah-less In Tel-Aviv0_18_Judithb253@aol.com28_Sat, 6 Jan 2001 22:49:59 EST546_US-ASCII Hi Marty, I just read your Tuesday message - and wonder if you have any strategies to offer. Yes, it's sad - but we who believe that they don't consider us Jews would have to be convinced otherwise to really try. Heck, I have neighbors who don't consider us legitimate members of the Jewish community, and I'm kind of touchy about that - because I do. My father once told me that if his father was still around, he would probably be a member of the Gerer Hasidim. Wouldn't that create family problems? and a happy 2001 to you!! JPB [...]
3539 16 27_Re: Kippah-less In Tel-Aviv0_18_Judithb253@aol.com28_Sat, 6 Jan 2001 22:50:47 EST380_US-ASCII I apologize - that was meant for Marty only!!
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3556 16 28_Re: Workshop and visits home0_15_DenaSol@aol.com28_Sun, 7 Jan 2001 14:14:57 EST405_US-ASCII I think BJ Salowitz left too, but I'm not sure that the war caused it.
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3573 93 38_Ehud Barak said it! Believe it or not.7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il30_Sun, 7 Jan 2001 17:04:22 +0200457_windows-1255 Ehud Barak at Ammunition Hill, June 2, 2000:
"Only one who does not understand the depth of the total emotional tie of the Jewish People to Jerusalem, only one who is cut off entirely from any attachment to the historical heritage, and is estranged from the vision of the People, the song of its life, its faith, and the hopes of all the generations, is able to even think that the State of Israel would give up part of Jerusalem." [...]
3667 319 41_Fw: Intifada and Policy Situation Up-date7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il30_Sun, 7 Jan 2001 22:29:51 +0200645_iso-8859-1 It's a month old, but still up to date. Frightening. pearl ----- Original Message ----- From: Rabbi Kalman Packouz To: Rabbi Packouz's ShabbatShalom List Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 7:47 AM Subject: Intifada and Policy Situation Up-date
> I found this posting to be very informative and thought you might > benefit from seeing it. > > Warmly, > Rabbi Packouz > > ____________________ > > Special Dispatch - PA > November 30, 2000 > No. 160 > > Middle East Media and Research Institute (MEMRI) > P.O. Box 7837, Washington, DC 20038-7837 > Phone: (202) 955-9070 > [...]
3987 180 55_Fw: Palestinian Survey: Attitudes towards Peace Process7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il30_Sun, 7 Jan 2001 22:33:29 +0200744_iso-8859-1
----- Original Message ----- From: Rabbi Kalman Packouz To: Rabbi Packouz's ShabbatShalom List Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 2:35 AM Subject: Palestinian Survey: Attitudes towards Peace Process
> > Sometimes people say it's just the leaders and that the Palestinian man in > the street really doesn't support the fight against Israel and the Jews. > Here is a recent Palestinian survey that clearly shows the PA tactics being > employed have won the full support of it lay people. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > Birzeit University Development Studies Programme > > The Palestinian Intifada and the Peace [...]
4168 25 10_a question0_15_DebALev@aol.com28_Mon, 8 Jan 2001 00:33:47 EST561_US-ASCII I have two simple questions for Israeli chevre; both came up in a conversation with my son earlier today.
Within Israel, can Arabs own/carry guns?
Can Arab Israelis serve in the army?
Thanks.
Debbie
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4194 84 21_Re: Naaseh vi Nishmah17_Martin J. Goodman19_mgoodman@012.net.il30_Mon, 8 Jan 2001 10:36:52 +0200627_windows-1255 8 January 2001
In reference to the scenario in which Israel is unable to conclude an agreement with the Palestinians, and as a consequence decides to unilaterally withdraw from the West Bank and Gaza, Chaver Steve writes in Habonet Digest 1764,
"" may it not, in fact, be that we are facing a classic na'aseh v'nishmah situation with our Palestinian cousins?... If the Palestinians remain adamant in wanting more (land and/or refugee reparations) and the Arab nations remain adamant in supporting these demands, those demands would be seen for what they are - not so subtle ways to attack [the] [...]
4279 90 29_Kippah-less in Tel Aviv Redux12_Amnon Hadary22_amriv@netvision.net.il31_Mon, 08 Jan 2001 22:14:54 +0200332_us-ascii Hi Bruce You wrote
1) >THE MADRICH. He is a Jewish educator par excellance. It is Amnon who honors Habonet by participating here. 1A) Aw shucks Bruce, you embarrass me with faint praise. But seriously, it's taken me so long to reply to your, as usual, penetrating comments, because I was away from my computer. [...]
4370 325 16_leaving workshop16_Elihu D. Davison21_EliD@worldnet.att.net31_Mon, 08 Jan 2001 18:13:27 -0500606_us-ascii The topic of Workshoppers leaving Israel to come back to the US is something I never thought I'd be party to. There were, if I recall correctly, 5 members of my Workshop--the 17th--to leave early. They were Lorne Alter, Lorraine Diament, Mark Sklar, Phil Meskin and David Twersky. If I recall correctly, the 4 men left for reasons of personal discomfort. I believe that Lorraine had family obligations. There are always issues of the ability of an individual to get along as a group member. Willy-nilly vacations back to the US from Workshop, however, strike me as remarkably solipsistic and [...]
4696 56 16_Leaving Workshop11_Bruce Arbit17_BARBIT@abdata.com30_Mon, 8 Jan 2001 23:35:12 -0600406_- The only person I remember leaving our workshop in 1972/1973 for a trip to the United States was Jack Bershtel. Jack went to the US to donate a kidney to his sister.
Jack did not think twice over his decision and the entire workshop shepped naches over his courage. Transplants were not the smooth science of today. The other good part was that he brought back a bottle of two of Southern Comfort.
4753 23 31_Reply to Debbie's two questions17_Efraim Perlmutter24_habesor@netvision.net.il31_Tue, 09 Jan 2001 08:00:04 +0200564_us-ascii Question one: The answer is yes though like Jewish Israelis they have to get a license.
Question two: The answer is also yes though only the Druze are drafted. All others have to volunteer.
Efraim Perlmutter
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4777 36 7_Kumsitz0_13_SC523@aol.com28_Tue, 9 Jan 2001 02:25:46 EST599_US-ASCII And so we passed yet another lovely and wonderful Yerushalayim kumsitz. The singing, both of folk and makhela songs was great, as was the schmoozing, catching up - some people who had not seen each other for 3-4 decades - attendees from all over the country. Thanks especially to Jonny Margalit, Marty Karp, Carmi, Holtzer, and Kirsh for playing guitar; Ron Gang for spectacular blues harmonica as well as a knockout Kretchma (we waited for Danny Kransdorf but alas - a no show); Shayna Alexander and Mike Gordon and Ezra Harris for great folk AND makhela leading; the mysterious Dave [...]
4814 61 23_Re: HABONET digest 176610_Sue Anello19_sanello@bestweb.net31_Tue, 09 Jan 2001 10:58:39 -0500452_us-ascii Thought a little light relief would be nice as we prepare for the ZZ Top inaguration....
Sue
The Kennebunkport Hillbilly (sung to the tune of The Beverly Hillbillies Theme Song)
Come and listen to my story 'bout a boy name Bush. His IQ was zero and his head was up his tush. He drank like a fish while he drove all about. But that didn't matter 'cuz his daddy bailed him out. DUI, that is. Criminal record. Cover-up. [...]
4876 106 42_Fwd: Block Ashcroft and Norton Nominations12_Judith Tumin18_judith@heschel.org31_Tue, 09 Jan 2001 10:55:25 -0500638_ISO-8859-1 To my right-(or left as the case may be)thinking friends. This is a wonderful site on which you can make your voice heard on all sorts of good issues. Please pass it along to those you think would appreciate it.
Happy New Year from ActForChange!
You are receiving this update because you previously sent an e-mail through ActForChange.com. Your continued engagement is needed to challenge two particularly controversial nominations to President-Elect Bush's cabinet, the nominations of Senator John Ashcroft to serve as Attorney General and Gale Norton to serve as Secretary of the Interior. [...]
4983 105 33_Be fruitful, multiply, and subdue12_Amnon Hadary22_amriv@netvision.net.il31_Tue, 09 Jan 2001 22:25:27 +0200647_iso-8859-1
Haverim/ot - but especially Haverot Modern Hebrew lit crit is awash in feminist readings. For instance The Enemy as Woman: Fictional Women in the Literature of the Palmach - Myths of Gender Equality by Esther Fuchs Copyright © 1999 Ben-Gurion University of the Negev, Ben-Gurion Research Center.
The thrust of her piece is that literature (aided and abetted by the Hebrew language) is * guilty * of gendering public consciousness, that is " a process of male gendering, or masculinization, of ideals and values. The hero they write about is invariably male. Female characters appear as ancillary to the main [...]
5089 69 12_THE kumsitz!7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il30_Tue, 9 Jan 2001 12:24:47 +0200452_windows-1255 The absolute highlight of the kumsitz for me was seeing "Nachash," Gene Bardack, whom I had not seen since 1961 in Urim. He is now a professor at Berkeley, and I never thought I would see this dear person again. Also, several of my chanichim were there, one of whom I had not seen in 41 years, D'vora Blotnik, and of course I did not recognize her. Paula Nissenson (Daniel) from Nahariya also managed to get there. What excitement!!! [...]
5159 303 39_Supreme Court Hearing for Yoram Skolnik7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il30_Tue, 9 Jan 2001 23:55:05 +0200551_windows-1255 Chaverim,
I have decided to write to the 3 lists I belong to because so many of you have sent me messages. I tried to answer everyone individually but the number has risen significantly and I have therefore decided to write one message to you all. I very much appreciate your messages of support and am grateful to you all for your kind words. Yoram was supposed to be released from jail erev Pesach last year, but MK Zahava Galon made a petition to the High Court to prevent it. She won. It was the first time in the history [...]
5463 113 15_News from COEJL14_Albert Kaufman18_ahk@cablespeed.com30_Tue, 9 Jan 2001 15:17:40 -0800692_iso-8859-1 JEWISH COALITION APPLAUDS PRESIDENT CLINTON'S BOLD ACTION TO PROTECT NATIONAL FORESTS
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
CONTACT: Mark X. Jacobs - 212.684.6950, ext. 213
New York, NY (January 5, 2001) - The Coalition on the Environment and Jewish Life (COEJL), a collaboration of 29 major American Jewish organizations, applauds President Clinton and the US Forest Service for protecting more than 58 million of acres in our National Forests from development - one of the boldest conservation initiatives in American history. The final rule, which will effectively prohibit commercial logging and oil and gas development in all roadless areas in our National Forests, [...]
5577 35 20_Re: Leaving Workshop0_14_Gezer2@aol.com28_Tue, 9 Jan 2001 20:48:00 EST323_US-ASCII The idea of leaving workshop is not one that I support, but if its to makr Bruce happy with some southern sunshine, then its well worth it. Remember that Workshop is about getting to know yourself and how you relate to others in a Zionist enviroment. How are ya Brucie!!!! Jack Bershtel Gesher Haziv Workshop 22???
5613 55 45_Fwd: Dancers Needed for Israel Dance Festival0_13_SC523@aol.com29_Wed, 10 Jan 2001 02:38:03 EST145_US-ASCII This is a reprint in order to ask for response to an earlier email. We're excited to hear from you! Aliya, Naomi, Hiam, Sara, and others
5669 35 26_Michigan Mission to Israel0_16_BERNSARA@aol.com29_Wed, 10 Jan 2001 15:01:15 EST428_US-ASCII I am hoping this will be read by all you ex habonodniks who are not members of LZA will take note and then decide to do something.
Michigan is sending a mission of 200 people to Israel from jan. 14 to 19 . This may sound stupid ( 2 days of flying and 3 days in Israel ) , however the Idea is to show that we do support the state and are not afraid to come. Of the 200 people on the mission 7 are from LZA . [...]
5705 30 30_Mission to Isreal from Detroit0_16_BERNSARA@aol.com29_Wed, 10 Jan 2001 23:34:41 EST383_US-ASCII This is directed to all old habonudnicks who have not joined the LZA . The Detroit Federation organized a quick mission to Israel the purpose of same being the show of support for the people of the state. There will be 200 people going and the whole trip will be for 5 days. That means 2 days ibn the air and 3 days in Israel. This may seem stupid but the idea is not. [...]
5736 51 26_Michigan Mission to Israel11_Bruce Arbit17_BARBIT@abdata.com31_Thu, 11 Jan 2001 06:38:45 -0600223_- I was glad to hear that LZA is participating in the mission. As you increase your membership, be sure to recruit your own Robert Aronson the exec VP of the Detroit Federation.
He is an alum of Tavor and ex-Habonim.
5788 68 35_Jewish Power - The Progressive Kind0_15_NEVETS2@aol.com29_Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:52:43 EST513_US-ASCII Chevre, Shalom
As a follow-up to the Schiff's savvy endorsement of LZA membership, here's an inkling of what that LZA membership means in the Jewish community. Paraphrasing JJ's teachings in his great book, "Jewish Power", there are folks out there speaking in our name as a Jewish community, and if we don't make sure that our views are represented in that mix, they simply won't be. LZA helps keep a short leash on the Conference of Presidents and every other national Jewish organization. [...]
5857 125 29_Fwd: FW: Dangerous in Israel?0_15_NEVETS2@aol.com29_Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:06:10 EST17_US-ASCII
5983 140 15_Eli the Fanatic12_Amnon Hadary22_amriv@netvision.net.il31_Thu, 11 Jan 2001 23:11:29 +0200552_iso-8859-1 Haverim/ot Until a culture comes to terms artistically - let alone existentially - with the core events in its life, it can not claim to have achieved maturity. The two unresolved core issues of Israeli society and literature are, of course, war and the holocaust. Much is written, some of it poignant much heartrending but no one has attempted to yoke the two in an overarching poetic treatment. Maybe it's due to a lack of a perspective-granting distance. In my digging I found what I consider a gem by a "young" author: Etgar Keret. [...]
6124 33 11_Performance0_12_SHX2@aol.com29_Thu, 11 Jan 2001 23:46:49 EST280_US-ASCII Dear Habonetters,
I want to let LA folks know that I will be a appearing at McCabes in Santa Monica on Friday, February 23. Tickets and info are (310) 828-8037. I hope some old friends will come by, and if you do, please come up and say hello after the show. [...]
6158 39 15_Re: Performance16_Linda Hirschhorn18_vocolot@sirius.com31_Fri, 12 Jan 2001 09:44:21 -0700512_us-ascii congrats Steve- send me the album I'll send you a check. let me know is you come up this way- Linda
SHX2@aol.com wrote:
> Dear Habonetters, > > I want to let LA folks know that I will be a appearing at McCabes in Santa > Monica on Friday, February 23. Tickets and info are (310) 828-8037. I hope > some old friends will come by, and if you do, please come up and say hello > after the show. > > I also want to let everyone know that my newest CD, Duke Ellington For Solo > Guitar, is [...]
6198 65 14_Fwd: Diversion0_12_SHX2@aol.com29_Fri, 12 Jan 2001 13:55:12 EST17_US-ASCII
6264 350 38_Fw: Supreme Court, Friday 12 Jan, 20017_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il31_Sat, 13 Jan 2001 18:21:04 +0200611_windows-1255
Subject: Supreme Court, Friday 12 Jan, 2001
shalom everyone, Well, it has been a long day's night... We just came back from the Supreme Court, where there was an appeal against Yoram's release made by the Public Committee Against Torture in Israel. Seven Supreme Court judges heard the case instead of the usual three because this is a very precident-setting case, "earthshaking" as I heard one lawyer say. It is the first time that this type of appeal ever was brought up, and if the other side wins it will bring about absolute chaos in the court system. If I [...]
6615 49 19_Ashcroft nomination0_15_DebALev@aol.com29_Sat, 13 Jan 2001 18:39:34 EST670_US-ASCII ------ PLEASE FORWARD THIS MESSAGE BELOW TO YOUR FRIENDS ------- Dear Friend,
I have joined an online campaign called OpposeAshcroft.com which is collecting signatures urging the Senate to take a close look at the Ashcroft record before voting on the nomination of John Ashcroft to be U.S. Attorney General.
The position of Attorney General demands that the person who fills it be beyond reproach: a person of integrity and good judgment. John Ashcroft is a right-wing conservative with an exceptionally poor civil rights record and an astonishingly bad history concerning reproductive rights--he should not be the nation's chief enforcer of [...]
6665 42 23_Re: Ashcroft nomination0_17_Smfgrappa@aol.com29_Sat, 13 Jan 2001 19:38:57 EST525_US-ASCII In a message dated 1/13/01 6:40:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, DebALev@aol.com writes:
< Debby you are the best. Count me in. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I would just tell my fellow chevra that debby's message is of the upmost importance. This would be true if Ashcroft were nominated at anytime. But in the context of this dubious madate it is particularly important. We have seen what politically handpicked judges can do to our rights in this election. Now is the time to take a stand. [...]
6708 28 23_Re: Ashcroft nomination0_15_DebALev@aol.com29_Sat, 13 Jan 2001 19:48:40 EST606_US-ASCII Thank you
Debby
You are the best. Sam
Awwwwww, shucks, Sam......thank you!
But remember......it's DEBBIE with an "ie."
Also, the Reform movement apparently just took a stand against Ashcroft's nomination. Maybe this will work...........
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6737 107 17_food for thought?0_15_DebALev@aol.com29_Sat, 13 Jan 2001 21:56:13 EST572_US-ASCII
WOMEN MISSING FROM MIDEAST PEACE NEGOTIATIONS
MICHELE LANDSBERG TORONTO STAR SAT. JAN.13 PG.L1
Ariel Sharon is, at this moment of writing, the leading contender for prime minister of Israel in the February election. It was the swaggering Sharon who helped provoke a new round of Palestinian violence when he visited Jerusalem's Temple Mount in September, escorted by 1000 police. Within hours, Yasser Arafat called for violent retaliation. It was all orchestrated; the provocative visit had been publicly discussed for days in advance. [...]
6845 22 21_RE: food for thought?12_Fine, Sharon14_FineS@MLHS.ORG31_Sat, 13 Jan 2001 22:18:20 -0500410_- I can't give any credence to anything that refers to Hanan Ashrawi as having "the right ideology to make peace". She is a purveyor of hate and lies, not of peace. She appears to have no concept of there being 2 sides to each argument. She consistently distorts and warps the truth and lies by both commission & omission. She has done much more to thwart the goal of peace than has Ariel Sharon. -Sharon [...]
6868 33 23_Re: Ashcroft nomination0_22_Richardrdsmith@aol.com29_Sun, 14 Jan 2001 00:13:13 EST451_US-ASCII In a message dated 1/13/01 6:40:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, DebALev@aol.com writes:
> The position of Attorney General demands that the person who fills it be > beyond reproach: a person of integrity and good judgment.
In your complaint about Ashcroft being named Attorney General you provide no information which would question his "integrity and good judgment" except that you don't agree with his "conservative" views. [...]
6902 34 21_RE: food for thought?21_Tsippi (Frances) Rudy21_tsip@worldnet.att.net31_Sun, 14 Jan 2001 00:55:39 -0800601_us-ascii Sharon,
Amen. Finally, someone else who vocalizes my feelings about that vicious snake!
Shavua Tov.
Tsippi
At 10:18 PM 1/13/01 -0500, you wrote: >I can't give any credence to anything that refers to Hanan Ashrawi as having >"the right ideology to make peace". She is a purveyor of hate and lies, not >of peace. She appears to have no concept of there being 2 sides to each >argument. She consistently distorts and warps the truth and lies by both >commission & omission. She has done much more to thwart the goal of peace >than has Ariel Sharon. >-Sharon > > [...]
6937 28 15_Women and Peace17_Martin J. Goodman19_mgoodman@012.net.il31_Sun, 14 Jan 2001 10:18:41 +0200715_windows-1255 14 January 2001
I agree with Sharon that Hannah Ashrawi's representation of the Palestinian position is one-sided and anti-Semitic.
On the other hand, Debbie's point that women are excluded from the "peace" negotiations and from positions of power in the Arab and Israeli worlds is absolutely on the mark.
marty goodman mgoodman@012.net.il
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6966 162 21_Re: food for thought?7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il31_Sun, 14 Jan 2001 11:51:44 +0200628_iso-8859-1 Wow! so much misleading and false information in an article with an obvious agenda. MsLandsberg obviously is not too well-informed of what is going on in Israel. Too many negative adjectives in one article which give her away. Just one small "for instance": in the two months before the new intifada began Arabs began breaking into medical clinics in Judea and Samaria, stealing everything from antibiotics, bandages to medicines and medical supplies, which were then hoarded until the outbreak in September. There is much proof that they were preparing for it in advance. It was Radjub himself who informed the [...]
7129 116 34_Prof.Bacharch's shocking testimony7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il31_Sun, 14 Jan 2001 12:23:09 +0200581_windows-1255 I don't know how I forgot to write about Professor Bacharach. His son was murdered together with his friend by a terrorist in Wadi Kelt several years ago. From what I remember the murderer was never apprehended, although Israel informed the Palestinian Authority who the murderer was and where he could be found. Israel never pressed for the murderer to be brought to trial, even though such a right exists in the accords signed by Israel and the PA. Professor Bacharach was a side to the hearings for Yoram. He tried to show the court that there is not equality [...]
7246 61 23_Re: Ashcroft nomination11_Noam Stopak26_n.stopak@scienceserver.com31_Sun, 14 Jan 2001 08:51:44 -0500510_us-ascii
Richardrdsmith@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 1/13/01 6:40:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, DebALev@aol.com > writes: > > > The position of Attorney General demands that the person who fills it be > > beyond reproach: a person of integrity and good judgment. > > In your complaint about Ashcroft being named Attorney General you provide no > information which would question his "integrity and good judgment" except > that you don't agree with his "conservative" views. > [...]
7308 20 21_Re: food for thought?0_22_Richardrdsmith@aol.com29_Sun, 14 Jan 2001 11:52:02 EST482_US-ASCII In a message dated 1/14/01 8:13:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, skolnik@netvision.net.il writes:
> Nobody expected this of him. What is "this?"
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7329 26 23_Re: Ashcroft nomination0_22_Richardrdsmith@aol.com29_Sun, 14 Jan 2001 11:58:05 EST544_US-ASCII In a message dated 1/14/01 8:51:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, n.stopak@scienceserver.com writes:
> It strikes me as a bit absurd to think that anyone believes the guy > really won, other than by coup d'etat. > Coup d'etat or not, he won. He will be president and will be supplying us with Bushisms for the next four years. He gets to pick his advisers. Your point about Bob Jones University is valid but was not made in the original message. My point is only that "good judgment" cannot be defined as what liberals believe. [...]
7356 70 23_Re: Ashcroft nomination0_17_Smfgrappa@aol.com29_Sun, 14 Jan 2001 12:12:32 EST627_US-ASCII In a message dated 1/14/01 12:13:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, Richardrdsmith@aol.com writes:
<< As far as I know, he does not stand for anything that the Republican Party has stood for years: anti-abortion and anti-afirmative action.
That is not the case. First there is a variety of opinion within the Republican Party and there are varying degrees of moderation on various issues. Ashcroft is extreme on every issue. Next, Ashcroft has led campaigns against nominees for the bench who do not agree with his extreme poistions. For Ashcroft any hint of wanting a fair trial for an accused is labled [...]
7427 68 23_Re: Ashcroft nomination11_Noam Stopak26_n.stopak@scienceserver.com31_Sun, 14 Jan 2001 13:09:41 -0500373_us-ascii
Smfgrappa@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 1/14/01 12:13:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, > Richardrdsmith@aol.com writes: > > ...Both the New York Times and USA Today have called on the Senate to reject > Ashcroft. They are hardly reliable left wing rags.
Depends on who you ask. See my previous note's comment about what is mainstream. [...]
7496 115 23_Re: Ashcroft nomination0_15_DebALev@aol.com29_Sun, 14 Jan 2001 13:26:35 EST626_US-ASCII A couple of quotes from Ashcroft........fyi. I have more, but really don't want to inundate the list.
Ashcroft represents a dangerous aspect of the right wing.....not just anti-abortion and anti birth control, as Attorney general he would have the responsibility of enforcing laws that he morally does not agree with. He has fought the ruling that anti-choice protestors cannot follow patients up the steps and into clinics, he has opposed things short of a total ban on all abortions (which, as you should know, IS a civil rights issue as well as a religious freedom issue--there are times, according to [...]
7612 80 30_Fourth Way in the Israeli Army0_15_NEVETS2@aol.com29_Sun, 14 Jan 2001 13:47:17 EST540_US-ASCII Chevre, shalom
We've been hearing a lot lately about efforts to create-define a "Fourth Way" Israeli Judaism based strongly on alternative, Israel-focused Jewish practices developed on "secular" Labor Zionist Kibbutzim.
Is this sort of Fourth Way Judaism practiced in the army by any of its adherents? I presume it is egalitarian. Do they run into the kind of problems that these Masorti women encountered? Do they request special dispensation from Tzahal in the form of separate facilities or special time off? [...]
7693 34 23_Re: Ashcroft nomination0_15_DebALev@aol.com29_Sun, 14 Jan 2001 14:26:07 EST444_US-ASCII In a message dated 1/14/01 5:51:47 AM Pacific Standard Time, n.stopak@scienceserver.com writes:
> > I still think this is debatable, but in any case, I believe Debbie's point > is that when there is such a narrow split it seems that a position like > attorney general should be filled by someone with more mainstream > views. Of course what is mainstream is in part a matter of perspective > depending on your own views... [...]
7728 45 12_re: ashcroft0_15_DebALev@aol.com29_Sun, 14 Jan 2001 16:29:44 EST681_US-ASCII For a fairly complete look at Ashcroft's views, here is a site from the last Senate election (where, after having had many elected offices in MO, he lost to a dead man):
www.issues2000.org/Senate/John_Ashcroft.htm
Doing a search at http://www.google.com will give a number of URLs, both pro and anti Ashcroft. The bottom line for me is his ability and willingness to enforce the laws of this country; the Attorney general is also responsible for reviewing legislation and regulations proposed by the administration. Someone who is against equal rights, agains affirmative action, against choice, for school vouchers, against nuclear treaties, for trade [...]
7774 21 17_Israel Media site11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@mjds.org31_Sun, 14 Jan 2001 16:24:20 -0600473_us-ascii Here are media sites from Israel, radio, television , live pictures and movies. A great find! Rozzie
http://www.live.co.il/
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7796 397 42_The Greatest lie ever told about Jerusalem11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@mjds.org31_Sun, 14 Jan 2001 20:35:56 -0600375_us-ascii
This essay by Emmanuel A. Winston is a MUST read. When Arafat's propaganda machine is trying to convince the world that the Jews have no claim on Jerusalem and the Temple Mount, we all must educate ourselves by getting ALL the facts in order to be able to refute this claims intelligently when we are questioned by people around us - enjoy and pass on. [...]
8194 76 38_The Dialectic of P.M. Barak's Policies17_Martin J. Goodman19_mgoodman@012.net.il31_Mon, 15 Jan 2001 11:17:11 +0200470_windows-1255 15 January 2001
In Habonet Digest 1772, Chaver Steve refers to the Israeli Army forbidding female soldiers to dauben in an army synagogue while wearing tefillin. This Israeli army policy reflects one aspect of the Prime Minister Barak's conflicting values and priorities. Specifically, in order to garner support from Orthodox and ultra-Orthodox political parties, Barak has done nothing to implement his "secular revolution" which consists of: [...]
8271 34 42_Re: The Dialectic of P.M. Barak's Policies13_avi rosenberg16_avi@gezer.org.il31_Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:45:00 +0200514_us-ascii Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think submitting a white slip is like not voting at all.
Avi Rosenberg
At 11:17 2001-01-15 +0200, you wrote: >15 January 2001 > > > >Accordingly, I urge everyone who is entitled to vote to exercise that right, >even possessors of Israel passports that live outside of Israel, and even if >you merely submit a white slip which indicates that you feel that neither of >the candidates represents your desires. > >marty goodman >mgoodman@012.net.il > [...]
8306 48 42_Re: The Dialectic of P.M. Barak's Policies12_STAN GOLDMAN17_stan@inter.net.il31_Mon, 15 Jan 2001 16:54:15 +0200591_iso-8859-1
----- Original Message ----- From: avi rosenberg To: Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 12:45 PM Subject: Re: The Dialectic of P.M. Barak's Policies
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think submitting a white slip is like not > voting at all. > > Avi Rosenberg > > > At 11:17 2001-01-15 +0200, you wrote: > >15 January 2001 > > > > > > > >Accordingly, I urge everyone who is entitled to vote to exercise that right, > >even possessors of Israel passports that live outside of Israel, and even if > >you merely submit [...]
8355 41 16_Emmanuel Winston16_Elihu D. Davison21_EliD@worldnet.att.net31_Mon, 15 Jan 2001 10:43:27 -0500584_us-ascii Not to throw too much cold wanter on Roz Barland's well-intended submission of the Emmanuel Winston piece on Jerusalem. BUT... Winston is not only not an unbiased observer, he is a man with a point-of-view. He is a scribbler for the right-wing anti-peace camp. Now that I've taken the broad slap against Winston, just a brief observation about his "scholarship" or lack thereof. Since he made a point of listing his sources at the end of the article, it's worth commenting on them. There's not a single Muslim or Arab writer listed in the bunch. The closest he comes is [...]
8397 121 8_Fwd: Hi!0_15_DebALev@aol.com29_Mon, 15 Jan 2001 11:16:46 EST470_US-ASCII In a message dated 1/14/01 2:11:12 PM Pacific Standard Time, tlaichas@mediaone.net writes:
> From: tlaichas@mediaone.net (Tom Laichas) > To: DebALev@aol.com > > Debbie, thanx for the shcroft info, I'm also on a ton of list, could you > please post about all the Jan. 20th rallies. I think every city is having > one, & there's a huge one in DC. Thanx I can't seem to post on hobonet, yet, > I'll forward you one of the posts. Btikvah, Donna Malamud [...]
8519 37 42_Re: The Dialectic of P.M. Barak's Policies13_avi rosenberg16_avi@gezer.org.il31_Mon, 15 Jan 2001 18:33:40 +0200335_us-ascii I understand that white slips are simply not counted. So what's the point? If that is the case, I would rather vote for the lesser of two evils or just stay home. In any case, the spectre of Arik Sharon as prime minister is something I just can't let happen without at least voting. At 16:54 2001-01-15 +0200, you wrote: [...]
8557 175 13_The Book Case12_Amnon Hadary22_amriv@netvision.net.il31_Mon, 15 Jan 2001 22:43:17 +0200562_iso-8859-1 THE Habonet WATERSHED Into the time of the great brotherhood and to a God the prophets did not imagine, To the life the poets did not dream … prepare for the mighty drama - A new age of transition draws near! --Zalman Schneour Jerusalem emerges into the full light of history together with other ancient cities of Canaan in the Early Bronze Age, even before the time of the Patriarchs (Middle Bronze Age, 2200-1750 B.C.E.). It is one in a line of towns settled on the watershed road from Shekhem in the north to Hebron in the south. Astride that [...]
8733 60 24_Fwd: Ashcroft nomination0_22_Richardrdsmith@aol.com29_Mon, 15 Jan 2001 16:43:54 EST17_US-ASCII
8794 48 28_Re: Fwd: Ashcroft nomination0_17_Smfgrappa@aol.com29_Mon, 15 Jan 2001 17:05:28 EST698_ISO-8859-1 In a message dated Mon, 15 Jan 2001 4:44:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, Richardrdsmith@aol.com writes:
<< Forwarded Message:-------------------- Subj: Re: Ashcroft nomination Date Mon, 15 Jan 2001 16:31:01 EST From: Richardrdsmith@aol.com To: Smfgrappa@aol.com
In a message dated 1/14/01 12:12:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, Smfgrappa writes:
The very fact that someone would actually say this shows that there was always something wrong with our movement. That someone, who has shown in past to be so touchy about comments made about him, could write something so intolerant is, perhaps, revealing. He claims not to be against a variety of views, I assume [...]
8843 67 43_White Slips and the Consent of the Governed17_Martin J. Goodman19_mgoodman@012.net.il31_Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:29:49 +0200335_Windows-1252 16 January 2001
I'm not sure of my facts. However, I am under the impression that although white slips do not have any legal standing, they are counted and reported. [If anyone knows the facts, please chime in.]
If my impression is correct, then casting a white slip ballot can have great significance. [...]
8911 45 27_Re: A new age of transition0_15_NEVETS2@aol.com29_Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:23:27 EST456_US-ASCII
In a message dated 1/16/01 12:17:00 AM, Amnon writes:
<< THE Habonet WATERSHED
Into the time of the great brotherhood and to a God the prophets did not imagine, To the life the poets did not dream prepare for the mighty drama - A new age of transition draws near! --Zalman Schneour .... What should we do? I have some ideas. Amnon Hadary >> ===================================================== But is anyone listening? [...]
8957 40 4_June0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:23:58 EST135_US-ASCII
June.. in New York...Kumsitz....11th Workshop reunion.....Chevrah....
When????????????????
(sue)
8998 24 8_Re: June16_richard jacobson21_rikardiko@hotmail.com31_Tue, 16 Jan 2001 18:09:02 -0600627_- Hevra! Kompanyeros!
Carl should say when in June. He did it so well last time that we should entrust the details to him.
Love to all
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9023 39 23_Re: Ashcroft nomination11_Noam Stopak26_n.stopak@scienceserver.com31_Tue, 16 Jan 2001 20:57:48 -0500584_us-ascii
DebALev@aol.com wrote:
> Nope; I just think that there are PLENTY of other possible nominees who have > not necessarily taken such radical stands in opposition of current laws and > court rulings that he would have to support despite the positions he has > taken throughout his entire public and private life. If "mainstream" means > upholding the laws of this country, then I do mean "mainstream." However, I > think that it's a mischaracterization to call it that when it is simply the > willingness to support and enforce such laws. > > Debbie [...]
9063 42 23_Re: Ashcroft nomination11_Batel Libes25_batel_libes@earthlink.net31_Tue, 16 Jan 2001 19:38:29 -0800581_us-ascii The Question is: Whose Law?
Batel
Noam Stopak wrote:
> DebALev@aol.com wrote: > > > Nope; I just think that there are PLENTY of other possible nominees who have > > not necessarily taken such radical stands in opposition of current laws and > > court rulings that he would have to support despite the positions he has > > taken throughout his entire public and private life. If "mainstream" means > > upholding the laws of this country, then I do mean "mainstream." However, I > > think that it's a mischaracterization to call it that when it is [...]
9106 17 8_Re: June0_13_SC523@aol.com29_Wed, 17 Jan 2001 00:40:03 EST464_US-ASCII If chevreh make proposals for a date in June for the kumsitz, I'll try to book the date. I can't do the weekend of 15 June. Aliya
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9124 149 23_Fw: Middle East Madness7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il31_Tue, 16 Jan 2001 23:29:57 +0200382_iso-8859-1 I don't know why I read these things -- they only throw me into depression! I sometimes act the ostrich: at least I sleep better at night. pearl ----- Original Message ----- From: Sarah & Charles Eiferman To: Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 7:22 PM Subject: Fw: Middle East Madness [...]
9274 32 8_Re: June0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Wed, 17 Jan 2001 11:49:02 EST178_US-ASCII What about sometime around the big dance festival???- Or straddling it? Or is it too much? I would love to be there for that...But I don't know about everyone else...sue
9307 79 23_Fw: Ashcroft nomination13_Yuval Warshai16_warshais@tir.com31_Wed, 17 Jan 2001 12:38:52 -0500375_Windows-1252 I am really in doubt about the effectiveness of these campaigns, especially since all these organizations I actively supported before November 7, 2000, in fact lost the national vote on the presidency. Maybe some other people on the list still have the energy to try and continue these electronic signing and grass-roots mobilization campaigns. ___ |Y| ^^^ [...]
9387 40 23_A new age of transition12_Amnon Hadary22_amriv@netvision.net.il31_Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:31:17 +0200642_us-ascii Steve, You asked ===================================================== But is anyone listening? Now, with ears and hearts glued for any glimpse of progress toward settlement? Election? Bushisms? Energy tied up with the immediate problems of today. Is there energy to undergird 100 years of evaporating secular Zionism with something more Jewishly substantial? Something Achad Ha'am would get excited about? Something we can pass on to our grandchildren? Is it really up to us to do this work? Can there really be important Zionist work remaining to be done? For us to do together? ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ [...]
9428 27 27_Re: A new age of transition13_Yuval Warshai16_warshais@tir.com31_Wed, 17 Jan 2001 16:20:40 -0500573_iso-8859-1 I want to congratulate chaver Amnon Hadari publicly for an incredibly well-thought out and well-written piece. Of course, it is not the first one of the kind he has published on this list. Sometime soon, I believe, someone younger than me will certainly go through the Habonet archives and collect all of Reb Amnon's literary pearls into a shining string of their own and publish them anew. If it were me I'd be shure to include this latest one in that collection. It has struck me, at the present moment, as the most impressive of his writings I have read [...]
9456 20 8_Re: June0_13_SC523@aol.com29_Thu, 18 Jan 2001 02:30:44 EST355_US-ASCII Someone else suggested that, but the dancefestival is the whole weekend of May 31 and it is out in Long Island - we would want thekumsitzto be be in Manhattan and I don't think we can do both together, i.e. there are a lot of regular kumsitz attendees who won't care enough to come sleep in Long Island and pay for the Dance Festival. Aliya [...]
9477 17 9_Apologies0_13_SC523@aol.com29_Thu, 18 Jan 2001 02:31:52 EST463_US-ASCII I meant that response re: the kumsitz and dance festival to be just to Susie Liberman, not to all of Habonet - apologies - Aliya
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9495 20 18_Amnon's last piece15_Andrea Greenman28_AGreenman@psychoanalysis.net31_Thu, 18 Jan 2001 07:04:34 -0400488_iso-8859-1 Please re format Amnon's last piece-- "A new age of transition". The formatting was off and much of the lext was lost on my copy. Thanks.
Andrea
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9516 474 20_RE: leaving workshop11_Jamie Levin22_mazkir@habonimdror.org31_Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:32:24 -0500554_iso-8859-1 Not one single Workshoppers has left Israel for security reasons. Though some are understandably frightened by the current events the they have decided to stay in order to learn more about the conflict and continue building their Kvutzah. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Jamie Levin - Mazkir T'nua Habonim Dror North America phone: 212-255-1796 fax: 212-929-3459 www.habonimdror.org 114 West 26th ST. #1004 New York N.Y. 10001 U.S.A. ------------------------------------------------------------------- [...]
9991 64 24_Fw: dangerous in Israel?14_Albert Kaufman18_ahk@cablespeed.com31_Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:47:56 -0800584_iso-8859-1
> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 07:16:11 +0200 > > >From the pen of satirist Uri Orbach: > -------------------------------------------------- > > In America, everyone knows that it is terribly dangerous in Israel now, > and it is not recommended to travel to Israel. > > In Israel everyone knows that it is dangerous only in the territories > and in a little bit of Jerusalem. > > In Jerusalem everyone knows there is shooting going on, but only in the > neighborhood of Giloh. > > In Giloh everyone knows that it is dangerous, but only on Ha'anafa > Street. [...]
10056 38 28_Re: Fw: dangerous in Israel?7_Greener25_ddwgreen@netvision.net.il31_Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:00:18 +0200310_us-ascii I received Uri Urbach's satirical column last week from someone else. I thought it was clever and actually sent it on to several other friends.
Since then, ironically -
Fire bombs have been thrown at the secondary road to Pisgat Ze'ev - well, my bus takes the main road, so I'm OK. [...]
10095 47 23_Re: Ashcroft nomination11_Noam Stopak26_n.stopak@scienceserver.com31_Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:37:29 -0500336_us-ascii
Noam Stopak wrote:
> I guess I don't get it. While I agree there are plenty of other possible > niminees who would be less controversial, I don't see clear evidence > in the statements that you quoted that leads me to believe he will not > support and enforce the law. > > Can you explain? > > Noam [...]
10143 36 12_Re: workshop0_13_SC523@aol.com29_Sun, 21 Jan 2001 04:05:39 EST362_US-ASCII Dear Habonet,
I never got to respond to the discussion about Workshoppers coming back to the U.S. during chofesh. In fact, I was in Israel during this discussion, taking 7 Workshoppers (whose parents were not coming over to join them) to Istanbul - a solution to the problem that noone feels comfortable travelling around Israel these days. [...]
10180 152 17_Article on gossip14_Albert Kaufman18_ahk@cablespeed.com31_Sun, 21 Jan 2001 14:07:45 -0800462_iso-8859-1 Thought this article was interesting.
Enjoy
Albert in rainy Seattle
Copyright © 2001 The Seattle Times Company
Nation & World : Saturday, January 20, 2001
Religion Movement against negative gossip spreads
By Karen R. Long Newhouse News Service
Deborah and Abby Ross, mother and daughter, stood near the exit of a Cedar Point roller coaster near Cleveland, Ohio, watching the human parade. [...]
10333 31 19_Re: Israel no-shows0_15_NEVETS2@aol.com29_Mon, 22 Jan 2001 00:27:09 EST546_US-ASCII
In a message dated 1/22/01 12:09:53 AM, SC523@aol.com writes:
<< Here are some statistics to consider: Hebrew University's spring semester had 300 registrants -- 40 arrived. Ben Gurion University had 45 registered - 9 arrived.>>
According to my nephew just back from a Birthright trip, Birthright Israel had 10,000 free (that's $0) 10-day trips to Israel available to Jewish College students this past month, but despite the previous over-subscription and long waiting lists, only 7,000 takers could be found. [...]
10365 72 19_Re: Israel no-shows0_15_DebALev@aol.com29_Mon, 22 Jan 2001 02:11:50 EST409_US-ASCII In a message dated 1/21/01 9:27:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, NEVETS2@aol.com writes:
> According to my nephew just back from a Birthright trip, Birthright Israel > had 10,000 free (that's $0) 10-day trips to Israel available to Jewish > College students this past month, but despite the previous > over-subscription > and long waiting lists, only 7,000 takers could be found. > > [...]
10438 45 17_save Workshoppers12_STAN GOLDMAN17_stan@inter.net.il31_Mon, 22 Jan 2001 11:58:31 +0200186_windows-1255 The cheskis family has to me always been in the forefront of Zionist activity. Now Aliya comes to Israel to take worhshoppers away from Mideast pressure. I can't believe it.
10484 58 17_For Trudy Greener13_Marcia Plager26_grandrapidsm@earthlink.net31_Mon, 22 Jan 2001 07:48:03 -0800497_us-ascii Dear Trudy Thank you for your update of life in these horrible times. I look forward to reading more of your letters. I have only recently been connected to Habonet. It's great, and I am planning to see my workshop people this summer.
I have friends in Pisgat Ze'ev, and I'm afraid I have lost touch with them. The family name is Mishkin- Arye and Nira. If you know them, or know of a way to get in touch with them, I would be grateful. I'm sure they'd have an e-mail adress. [...]
10543 45 22_Steve Klein- continued13_Marcia Plager26_grandrapidsm@earthlink.net31_Mon, 22 Jan 2001 07:50:27 -0800560_us-ascii
Dear Trudy
My e-mail is grandrapidsm@earthlink.net Greener wrote:
> I received Uri Urbach's satirical column last week from someone else. I > thought it was clever and actually sent it on to several other friends. > > Since then, ironically - > > Fire bombs have been thrown at the secondary road to Pisgat Ze'ev - > well, my bus takes the main road, so I'm OK. > > Then shots were fired at Neve Yaakov - well, that's the next > neighborhood over, so I'm OK. I should check on my Russian relatives who > live along the edge [...]
10589 24 19_Re: Israel no-shows22_Deborah M Tanzer-Cohen15_candeb@juno.com31_Mon, 22 Jan 2001 10:09:49 -0600484_- I don't know about the regular Muss program, but the program Muss runs from Akiba Hebrew Academy in Philly had its usual number of participants, and the usual number of parents and siblings spent the week of Thanksgiving there visiting, as well. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. [...]
10614 65 48_Crazed Palestinian Gunman Angered By Stereotypes13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@sasa.org.il31_Mon, 22 Jan 2001 19:13:35 +0200102_windows-1255 I guess we could all use this:
http://www.theonion.com/onion3108/crazedgunman.html
10680 775 9_evolution0_13_Mmxmm@aol.com29_Mon, 22 Jan 2001 13:21:09 EST663_UTF-8 This was written by Mark Hammel who I beleive no longer subscribes to this list. Without his permission [ I'll take the consequences] I am forwarding it to Habonet.
From:Â Â mhammel@ulster.net (Mark Hammel) To:Â Â dublM@aol.com
D’var Torah, 24 Tevet, 5761; January 19, 2001
I have been pondering the Akedah, the Binding of Isaac, since before Rosh Hashanah when the Ritual Committee was asked to assist Rabbi Jonathan in reviewing and reformulating the themes for our High Holiday aliyot. At that time, I began to consider Abraham’s willingness to sacrifice his son from the perspective of a parent who [...]
11456 40 11_Judaica Art0_13_Mmxmm@aol.com29_Mon, 22 Jan 2001 13:41:24 EST280_US-ASCII Shalom l'kulam,
I am forwarding a website link to a most incredible Israeli ceramic artist who lives in a tiny town in rural Northern California. Her name is Sara Mann and besides being a dear friend, her work is absolutely stunning.
http://www.saramann.net
11497 30 28_The MWW Group is looking for0_15_NEVETS2@aol.com29_Mon, 22 Jan 2001 13:44:23 EST640_US-ASCII From: "Torossian, Ronn" To: Subject: KNOW ANYONE ? Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 10:25:15 -0500
The MWW Group, one of the leading PR agencies in the United States is looking for a Director of Israel Programs for its NYC office. Ideal candidate will have prior experience working with Israeli clients, and have technology experience. Position involves extensive client management, managing and developing relationships with the media, writing press releases and a variety of materials and will involve extensive travel to Israel. Hebrew speaker preferred. Please email resume to rtorossian@mww.com [...]
11528 54 53_Dear Colleagues who are Active in the Peace Movement,0_15_NEVETS2@aol.com29_Mon, 22 Jan 2001 13:47:36 EST588_US-ASCII ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 08:56:05 +0200 To: (Recipient list suppressed) From: media Subject: Letter to Colleagues who are Active in Peace Movement
January 19, 2001
Dear Colleagues who are Active in the Peace Movement,
"Shalom U'vracha"
As the bureau chief of Israel Resource News Agency, I take a special interest in covering the activities of the Israeli peace movement, which is based on the idea of a "two-state" solution. Our agency also covers PA schools, PA media and PA security services. [...]
11583 86 9_evolution0_13_Mmxmm@aol.com29_Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:18:14 EST553_US-ASCII
I received an email noting that a portion of this letter was cut off...here is the remainder in case this occured to everyone.
from Mark Hammel
<<. The situation was indeed dire, and I first released my chest sack and then set about untwisting my reserve chute as best I could in the precious little time I had. I got ready to hit the ground in the pitch dark, waiting for the warning thud of the chest sack which dangled on a rope several meters below me. I landed very hard, but was able to execute a good roll and [...]
11670 36 12_(no subject)13_Marcia Plager26_grandrapidsm@earthlink.net31_Mon, 22 Jan 2001 18:48:15 -0800456_us-ascii
Dear Trudy Thank you for your update of life in these horrible times. I look forward to reading more of your letters. I have only recently been connected to Habonet. It's great, and I am planning to see my workshop people this summer.
I have friends in Pisgat Ze'ev, and I'm afraid I have lost touch with them. The family name is Mishkin- Arye and Nira. If you know them, or know of a way to get in touch with them, I would be [...]
11707 38 12_(no subject)13_Marcia Plager26_grandrapidsm@earthlink.net31_Mon, 22 Jan 2001 19:01:50 -0800456_us-ascii
Dear Trudy Thank you for your update of life in these horrible times. I look forward to reading more of your letters. I have only recently been connected to Habonet. It's great, and I am planning to see my workshop people this summer.
I have friends in Pisgat Ze'ev, and I'm afraid I have lost touch with them. The family name is Mishkin- Arye and Nira. If you know them, or know of a way to get in touch with them, I would be [...]
11746 26 19_Re: Israel no-shows7_Greener25_ddwgreen@netvision.net.il31_Tue, 23 Jan 2001 07:23:26 +0200402_us-ascii It may not be a comparable program, since it's for college graduates, but the Pardes Institute of Jewish Studies, where I work, had a zero drop-out rate. Even those who went home for Sukkot came back. I think it's due to the feeling of cohesion that was developed over the first weeks of the semester and actively fostered when the "intifada began, with special discussions and programs. [...]
11773 16 57_Re: Dear Colleagues who are Active in the Peace Movement,0_15_AvivaMT@aol.com29_Tue, 23 Jan 2001 09:34:22 EST343_US-ASCII
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11790 46 4_news0_15_DebALev@aol.com29_Tue, 23 Jan 2001 16:02:20 EST395_US-ASCII
Israel recalled its delegation to peace talks with the Palestinians on Tuesday after two Israelis were killed, apparently by Palestinian gunmen. More details and news available at http://www.kosherfinder.com/KosherFinder/Features/F01.asp?FEATURE=10847
11837 19 23_Independent News source11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@mjds.org31_Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:08:13 -0600540_us-ascii I read about this site in Haaretz. It seems to be an independent news site from Israel about Israel in Hebrew or English.
http://indymedia.org.il.westserver.net/imc/israel/webcast/index.php3
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11857 32 11_Lashon Hara8_Ephraims14_cbma@erols.com31_Tue, 23 Jan 2001 22:55:29 +0000533_us-ascii I really enjoyed the article Albert posted. I remember that many years ago, I made up my mind not to gossip or repeat anything said in confidence. Period. And I remember that my life went so smoothly. I never had to worry about my big mouth biting myself on the ass. And I knew that no one would suffer from anything I said. Unfortunately it was temporary and I never quite went back to that policy. But reading the article reminded me. And since I am having a terrible crisis at work with one of my bosses, I think it [...]
11890 116 64_Habonim Dror is Back in Business - The Kibbutz Building Business0_13_Ezrox@aol.com29_Wed, 24 Jan 2001 10:39:40 EST566_US-ASCII
Dear Habonet Chevre,
It's time to reestablish contact. When I last wrote you, I was working for the Habonim Dror Foundation in New York City. Much has changed in the past few weeks. Now I am in Eretz Yisrael and I am pretty darn excited!
As most of you already know, it had been almost exactly 15 years since the last HDNA Garin left for Israel. It's been a busy 3 1/2 weeks since the five members of Garin 2000 arrived in Israel to join the British Garin and form "Kvutsat Yovel" - Habonim's first City Kibbutz. Kvutsat Yovel is [...]
12007 22 8_Re: news0_15_HHaklay@aol.com29_Wed, 24 Jan 2001 11:01:43 EST554_US-ASCII Dear Chevere,
It's my pleasure to let you all know that Yonatan Haklay and wife Jodi Carlson welcomed Max Aaron to the world on January 10. He arrived 5 weeks early but is home and doing well.
Chana Haklay
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12030 50 21_city kibbutz: Carmiel7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il31_Wed, 24 Jan 2001 20:53:53 +0200204_windows-1255 If I am not mistaken, and I am not, there was a previous Habonim city kibbutz in Carmiel about 35-8 years ago. I think Ivan Frank was one of the people in that urban kibbutz. It failed. pearl
12081 34 36_Job Opportunity with Camp Lech Lecha14_Albert Kaufman18_ahk@cablespeed.com31_Wed, 24 Jan 2001 16:50:38 -0800693_iso-8859-1 Twiddly twiddly twiddly dahhhhhhh
We are looking to provide a very strong environmental education component to our camp. Camp Lech Lecha with the support of the Foundation for Jewish Camping is looking for a student pursuing degree or early career in ecology or environment for available fellowship. $4500 stipend to work for a Jewish travel camp for 3 weeks during August as environmental educational director. Must enjoy working with middle school students. Training provided regarding outdoorsmanship, outdoor skills, Jewish text and perspective on the environment in late spring. Planning and programming April-July requires average of 30 hrs per month. Application [...]
12116 40 8_Re: news0_16_Aborciah@aol.com29_Wed, 24 Jan 2001 23:33:25 EST253_US-ASCII Mazal Tov to the Haklay family!
Chana's announcement reminded me to post mine...also a January 10 arrival. My daughter, Rhonda Malina, and her husband, Danny Zipris, welcomed new son, Ayal Shai, on that same day!
Anita Borcia Horn
12157 41 21_Re: save Workshoppers0_13_SC523@aol.com29_Thu, 25 Jan 2001 03:21:40 EST579_US-ASCII
In a message dated 1/22/1 4:58:54 AM, stan@inter.net.il writes:
<< The cheskis family has to me always been in the forefront of Zionist activity. Now Aliya comes to Israel to take worhshoppers away from Mideast pressure. I can't believe it. >>
Excuse me, but Stan must really not understand what it has been like for the Workshop kids to be almost under quarantine - not being allowed to travel for long periods of time - just basically staying on a very small kibbutz in close quarters for 5 months. It was great for them to be able to go to [...]
12199 67 14_wrong emphasis7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il31_Thu, 25 Jan 2001 19:47:20 +0200551_windows-1255 My letter about the city kibbutz was to correct what was written in a previous letter by the chaver from the urban kibbutz, i.e., that theirs is not the first, but that Habonim had another urban kibbutz previous to this one. I am sorry that it seemed that I threw water on their bonfire. There is an urban kibbutz that has been functioning in Jerusalem for a number of years, and is made up of former members of "rural kibbutzim." I have not heard anything about them of late, so they may also have gone fifin. It would probably not [...]
12267 520 42_Dissecting the Palestinian Right of Return0_15_NEVETS2@aol.com29_Fri, 26 Jan 2001 00:47:00 EST393_US-ASCII Chevre, Shalom
Who knows where things stand in the Peace Process? Who knows how anxious the Palestinians are to have a state of their own - which will dictate their willingness to compromise to achieve that goal?
The following piece is long. Forgive me. But it's dissection of the refugee Right of Return issue seemed worthy of further dissection by Habonim minds. [...]
12788 291 23_Re: HABONET digest 178317_yoninamatz lamdan20_yoninamatz@yahoo.com37_Sat, 27 Jan 2001 01:47:19 -0800 (PST)576_us-ascii
The questions of Palestinian refugees and the right to return are so tied up with our desire for PEACE it's hard to forget that their main desire is for all of us Israelis to just move west into the Mediterranean Sea! If I may, since I am not a professor of anything, but my own personal hopes (not nearly so optimistic as they once were!) for real Peace, but a Habonim alumnus who has lived in the Negev for the past half-century! My husband and five children, their spouses, and soon my grandchildren all doing their all in the Israeli [...]
13080 97 18_Re: wrong emphasis5_tslil20_tslil_s@tzuba.org.il31_Mon, 29 Jan 2001 22:47:41 +0200569_windows-1255 Kibbutz Reshit is alive and kicking in Jerusalem. They moved quarters about three years ago, which may be why you haven't heard of them lately. There's also one called Tamuz in Bet Shemesh, of which two members are "banim" from my kibbutz. Both are very into doing community work as well as exploring socialism. I think Reshit is mostly religious people now, though it started out around half religious, half secular. I can get addresses or phone numbers if anyone is interested. Write me off-list. Sharon Tslil -- Gesher '73-'78 Tslil_s@tzuba.org.il [...]
13178 153 57_Fw: 33 websites about Tu B'Shvat - The New Year for Trees7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il31_Tue, 30 Jan 2001 23:32:44 +0200621_iso-8859-1 For you teachers out there! Happy Holiday. pearl
----- Original Message ----- From: Jacob Richman To: Informal Aliyah discussion group Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 4:27 PM Subject: Off Topic: 33 websites about Tu B'Shvat - The New Year for Trees
> Hi Everyone! > > Tu B'Shvat, the New Year for Trees, falls on the 15th of the > Hebrew month of Shvat, Thursday, February 8th this year > (5761/2001). Jewish tradition marks the 15th of Shvat as > the day when the sap in the trees begins to rise, signaling > the earth's awakening from its [...]
13332 70 30_Conservative Judaism a Failure0_16_BERNSARA@aol.com29_Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:51:46 EST496_US-ASCII Your artical by Ami Eden in the Jan. 26, 01 issue of the Forward was interesting. However Mr Eden missed an important point as did Rabbi Shafran. Many " orthodox " rerfuse to recognize the hechsure of some " orthodox " Rabbies. Case in point the "GLAT KOSHER" meals some insist on eating as oposed to the KOSHER meals served to us Consertative Jews on El Al . If the orthodox are not sure of what is and what is not kosher why should we Conservative Jews believe in their hechsure. [...]
13403 80 29_The Micigan Mission to Israel0_16_BERNSARA@aol.com29_Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:17:49 EST522_US-ASCII Sorry it took me so long to report on the Mission but I had to determine exactly what to say. Fist off I lied about the number of LZA members who were former Habonim that were on the Mission there were eight of us. Most Important is the fact that right now Israel needs tourists. I do not know if it is possable for us to organize a tour. However I do believe we should all presure our Federations to organize missions and as much as possable for our readers and members to travel to Israel even if only for [...]
13484 25 41_looking for a Director of Israel Programs0_15_NEVETS2@aol.com29_Wed, 31 Jan 2001 17:26:33 EST515_US-ASCII The MWW Group, one of the leading PR agencies in the United States is looking for a Director of Israel Programs for its NYC office. Ideal candidate will have prior experience working with Israeli clients, and have technology experience. Position involves extensive client management, managing and developing relationships with the media, writing press releases and a variety of materials and will involve extensive travel to Israel. Hebrew speaker preferred. Please email resume to rtorossian@mww.com [...]
13510 33 40_Need housing in DC on March 24th weekend14_Albert Kaufman18_ahk@cablespeed.com31_Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:22:12 -0800312_iso-8859-1 Hi everyone,
I'm coming to DC to lobby Congress on population issues on the weekend of March 24th-27th. I have a place to stay but two friends need a place. They are good people and we'll be off and out of the house all four days and also have some things to keep us busy in the evenings. [...]