1 SHAMASH.ORG /usr/www/wwwhc/listserv/archives/habonet November 2000
2 15 42_Re: General Assembly of the UJC in Chicago0_13_SC523@aol.com28_Wed, 1 Nov 2000 02:09:13 EST340_US-ASCII Bob Turner, Tavor KMBet '65, is reading Torah for the Reconstructionist service at the GA - I have passed this on to him. Aliya<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
18 53 17_sign of the times11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@erols.com31_Wed, 01 Nov 2000 07:36:16 -0500559_us-ascii Dear Chevre-<br><br>Last evening, at the last minute my 8 year old ditched his Sherlock Holmes costume to dress up in his much adored, minature and authentic (but weaponless) Israeli Navy Seal uniform which his has been itching to wear to school every day since Intifata 2 began.I bought it (reluctantly) in Jerusalem this summer after a solid week of begging. It was a transition in his thinking to use it for Halloween since he has been thinking of it as a uniform and not as a costume. He has been wearing bits and pieces of it (the shirt or [...]
72 24 17_Re: Thanking SHAS13_Yuval Warshai16_warshais@tir.com30_Wed, 1 Nov 2000 09:21:31 -0500579_windows-1255 I am willing to go back to the secular/civil list of reforms you mention and many others you don't mention on the next morning after there is a peace agreement with the Palestinian state, that opens the door for a similar one with Syria and for Israel's recognition and acceptance within secure (and reduced) borders by the entire Arab League (including Iraq). Only then I am willing to start engaging the Sha"s worldview and view of Judaism in an open and democratic debate that I believe is bound to strenghten and enrich the Jewish people. I hope the day is [...]
97 22 42_Re: General Assembly of the UJC in Chicago0_13_JLCAA@aol.com28_Wed, 1 Nov 2000 12:38:40 EST421_US-ASCII Ken I'll be there. Avi Lyon Jewish Labor Committee 212-477-0707 JLCAA@aol.com<br><br>Also suggest you contact David Mallach at the MetroWest Federation, Elliot Karp, Arthur Piakosky (Exec at the Phoenix Fed).<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
120 44 27_The Continuing Saga of SHAS17_Martin J. Goodman19_mgoodman@012.net.il30_Thu, 2 Nov 2000 11:12:20 +0200531_windows-1255 2 November 2000<br><br>In Habonet Digest 1703, Yuval Warshai writes, "" I am willing to go back to the secular/civil list of reforms you mention.... on the next morning after there is a peace agreement with the Palestinian state.... I hope the day is not too far. ""<br><br>The problem is that SHAS and the other ultra-Orthodox parties in the Knesset have a vested interest in maintaining a condition of political instability. Every time something needs to be done, the government must come to them with a bribe. [...]
165 31 23_Re: HABONET digest 16974_Ezra26_foundation@habonimdror.org30_Thu, 2 Nov 2000 12:02:45 -0500421_iso-8859-1 Kudos to Micah Garber for not only telling us that he changed his email, but also updating it in the people finder.<br><br>Folks, for our records, if you move or change your EMAIL address, please update it in the people finder. Thanks again Micah. Way to be Rosh Gadol!<br><br>Ezra Weinberg<br><br>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Habonim Dror [...]
197 33 42_1400 Habonim alumni email contacts for you0_15_NEVETS2@aol.com28_Fri, 3 Nov 2000 01:32:17 EST415_US-ASCII Chevre<br><br>Mashehu chadash Tachat Hashemesh! B'emet!<br><br>Believe it or not, you can send Email to any of 1400 Habonim Alumni via the Habonim Dror Foundation PeopleFinder. That's today. Tomorrow there will be more.<br><br>1400 Lo nora<br><br>Come take a peek. You'll never know who you'll find.<br><br>Especially now with our universal focus on events in Israel, share that with your old chevre. [...]
231 126 11_Monthly FAQ12_Jennifer Kay19_kay@elvis.rowan.edu31_Fri, 03 Nov 2000 02:32:02 -0500421_- Actually-from:BCooper@descartes.com<br><br>Hi Chevre,<br><br>Here is a reminder of the "essential" commands that you can use to configure your subscription to Habonet. I will post this monthly from now on. Please note -- The address for commands is: listproc@shamash.org whereas the address for posts to the list is: habonet@shamash.org If you need any help with any of it, send me an email: BCooper@descartes.com [...]
358 52 27_The Continuing Saga of SHAS11_Phil Safier17_psafier@elixa.com31_Fri, 03 Nov 2000 07:08:23 -0700356_us-ascii Another solution might entail cutting US funding to Israel and thus encouraging the fundamentalist racists to face reality. How much of the US billions go to the direct support of the "Jewish" Religious Right?<br><br>Hopefully the coming Bush regime will stop enabling the factions that wish to prolong instability for their perverted goals. [...]
411 140 3_dui0_17_Smfgrappa@aol.com28_Fri, 3 Nov 2000 10:38:45 EST571_US-ASCII THREE STRIKES AND YOU'RE OUT, MR. BUSH<br><br>November 3, 2000<br><br>Dear friends,<br><br>With the revelation last night of the drunk driving arrest and conviction in 1976 of George W. Bush, this marks the THIRD arrest -- that we know of -- involving this man who would be President.<br><br>Let me ask you, the readers of this letter: How many times have YOU been arrested? Me, none. Most of you -- once? twice? This guy has been arrested AT LEAST THREE TIMES! How many people do you know have been arrested three times? Go ahead, do a quick count on your [...]
552 21 7_RE: dui11_Batel Libes19_batel@realmedia.com30_Fri, 3 Nov 2000 11:13:49 -0800336_iso-8859-1 <br><br>Bumper sticker seen in California: Friends Don't Let Friends Vote Republican<br><br><br><br>Batel<br><br><br><br><br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
574 107 17_FW: Israel Update11_Batel Libes19_batel@realmedia.com30_Fri, 3 Nov 2000 11:15:35 -0800704_iso-8859-1 Donna Malamud, whose father is leaving for Volunteers for Israel, asked me to post the following:<br><br>Dear friends,<br><br>Labor Zionist Alliance president, Jeffry Mallow, participated in a Peace Now conference call with Minister of Justice Yossi Beilin this afternoon. The following is his summary. =============================================================<br><br>Beilin believes that these days are the crossroads. Given the car bomb in Jerusalem, which killed two, and the nightly sniping at Gilo, the violence will either escalate or soon cease. Peres and Arafat met in Gaza, and agreed to joint statements from Arafat and Barak for a truce today, with each addressing his own [...]
682 32 11_Gush & Bore0_22_Richardrdsmith@aol.com28_Fri, 3 Nov 2000 16:10:56 EST556_US-ASCII It is rather silly to not vote for Bush because he was arrested three times. There are so many better reasons not to vote for him. That fact that English seems to be a second language for him; the fact that he stands for nothing except his desire to be president; the fact that he has presided over the execution of more people than anyone since Jeffery Dommer (sic); the fact that he thinks that Clarence Thomas was an excellent choose for the Supreme Court; the fact that he doesn't know that Social Security is a federal program; the fact [...]
715 20 3_NPR11_Sam Bergman22_bergman@mindspring.com31_Sat, 04 Nov 2000 12:40:32 -0500475_us-ascii I received this letter 3rd hand (via Ilana Berner via Simona Kushner) about recent anti-Israel bias on NPR. I placed it on the Habonim Dror Foundation Website for your comments (and possible action).<br><br>http://habonimdrorfoundation.org/npr<br><br>Sam Bergman<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
736 107 22_st Louis post dispatch0_17_Smfgrappa@aol.com28_Sat, 4 Nov 2000 12:50:45 EST656_US-ASCII Endorsement of the Post Dispatch<br><br>Pass it on.<br><br>go vote<br><br>Al Gore for president<br><br><br><br><br><br>ELECTION 2000<br><br><br><br><br><br>THE AMERICAN PEOPLE should elect Al Gore because he is far better prepared to be president than Gov. George W. Bush and because he believes that government can be a positive force in people's lives.<br><br>Mr. Gore has prepared for this daunting job for three decades. He served as one of the most influential members of Congress, taking the lead on arms control, the environment and -- yes -- the development of the military computer system that was a precursor of the Internet. Then, [...]
844 25 16_My famous cousin10_Elon Shore17_erufus2@yahoo.com36_Sat, 4 Nov 2000 18:02:01 -0800 (PST)581_us-ascii Guys, you gotta go to http://www.thesmokinggun.com/bush/bush.shtml<br><br>Download the icon that says Bush shindig at the wedding, its my cousin drinking with Bush. (He's the guy at the end) Yours truly Elon<br><br>__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
870 174 28_50th Israeli DAnce Festival!0_13_SC523@aol.com28_Mon, 6 Nov 2000 00:48:08 EST291_US-ASCII Dear Habonet Chevreh,<br><br>There is an exciting event coming up the from May 31st to June 3rd here in New York City - the 50th Israeli Dance Festival! This would be a great way for Habonim dancers from all over the country (and even farther) to be brought together in dance! [...]
1045 108 26_Re: good can come from bad17_Rosalind Goldfarb14_rahz@erols.com31_Mon, 06 Nov 2000 01:51:23 -0500516_us-ascii Dear Pearl; Your letter of 10/16 just reached me and there is little that I can say except that i pray that life will improve. The ARabs will not change their spots and I beleive that unless we come to an agreement of sorts that we must both share the land in some manner, the fighting will indeed go on and on. This is our history and it has not changed. It's just that there are more enemies now than before. I wish there were something I could do or say to comfort you and allay your fears. Since I [...]
1154 188 32_Re: 50th Israeli DAnce Festival!10_Gidon Elad21_gidel@hatzerim.org.il30_Mon, 6 Nov 2000 15:08:20 +0200651_iso-8859-8 Behatzlacha with the Dance Festival. Regards to Ruth kastner. Gidon Elad<br><br>-----Original Message----- From: SC523@aol.com <SC523@aol.com> To: Habonet@shamash.org <Habonet@shamash.org> Date: éåí ùðé 06 ðåáîáø 2000 07:48 Subject: 50th Israeli DAnce Festival!<br><br><br><br>>Dear Habonet Chevreh, > >There is an exciting event coming up the from May 31st to June 3rd here in >New York City - the 50th Israeli Dance Festival! This would be a great way >for Habonim dancers from all over the country (and even farther) to be >brought together in dance! > >Here is the info - please help by sending this to as many friends as possible [...]
1343 27 20_On bias in the media11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@erols.com31_Mon, 06 Nov 2000 07:16:55 -0500389_us-ascii Dear Chevre-<br><br>Wehad some discussion here of the anti-Israel bias of foreign journalists. Here is a study of foreign journalists completed just at the beginning of the current violence by a professor from Bar Ilan University (hardly a liberal lefty kind of place.) Guess what? A substantial percentage of the journalists are Jewish and have lived in Israel a long time. [...]
1371 61 18_Bad Bad Conscience12_Amnon Hadary22_amriv@netvision.net.il31_Mon, 06 Nov 2000 22:13:18 +0200631_us-ascii <br><br>Haverot/im Benny Morris wrote about Israeli coverups of atrocities and lesser brutalities carried out over the years. Whatever his motivations and regardless of his scholarship (Anita Shapira of T"A University has faulted him for the latter: See her The failure of Israel's "new historians" to explain war and peace. The Past Is Not a Foreign Country - in the New Republic of November, 1999) whatever is bugging Morris is an old Jewish condition. If you've heard stories about Jewish mothers and their copyright of guilt you know whereof I speak. There's almost nothing older than Rashi unless it's the Torah [...]
1433 13 32_Re: 50th Israeli DAnce Festival!0_18_Green88888@aol.com28_Mon, 6 Nov 2000 17:58:02 EST213_US-ASCII <br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
1447 15 32_Re: 50th Israeli DAnce Festival!0_18_Green88888@aol.com28_Mon, 6 Nov 2000 17:59:30 EST344_US-ASCII Aliya- Sounds great!! Could we somehow combine it with a third annual reunion? Have you sert a date for a reunion this year ? Donna<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
1463 26 26_The Third Parties and Shas11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@erols.com31_Mon, 06 Nov 2000 23:21:26 -0500339_us-ascii Dear Phil--<br><br>I know you understand that Shas can hold the Peace process and every other process hostage and that the price is financing their anti-progressive agenda. That is what third parties do--sometimes on the left and sometimes on the right. Parties that don't take a centerist position can't work any other way. [...]
1490 73 29_Re:The Third Parties and Shas11_Phil Safier17_psafier@elixa.com31_Tue, 07 Nov 2000 00:31:31 -0700350_us-ascii Voting for Nader has nothing to do with perfection. It addresses the notion that this system needs sober analysis and change to stop it from ending any hope of democracy and justice. That well-meaning people would vote for cleverly packaged corrupt psychopaths time and again speaks volumes about the sad state of discourse and reason. [...]
1564 54 24_Finally -the etrog cake!0_13_SC523@aol.com28_Tue, 7 Nov 2000 04:00:40 EST329_US-ASCII So here it is, finally, as promised - an Etrog or Lemon-Lime Sukkot Cake from the kitchen of Marcy Goldman of Montreal, as published in The Jewish Sentinel and referred by Marian Goldberg and Aliya Cheskis-Cotel who are Habonetters, and members of the Na'aleh Camp Committee:<br><br>Etrog or Lomon-Lime Sukkot Cake [...]
1619 72 26_The Third Parties and Shas10_Sue Anello19_sanello@bestweb.net30_Tue, 7 Nov 2000 07:55:55 -0500494_iso-8859-1 Good morning on this election day in the U.S. This is my first posting to the group. I am a Habonim Alumni (Mosh in the 70's) and my daughter Hannah goes to Na'aleh (that's my intro!).<br><br>I wanted to thank Judy Gelman for her comments on the election:<br><br>As far as I am concerned, a vote for Nader is both a vote for Bush and a vote for the Shas-ing of America. I thought Habonim taught us better than to sacrifice the good of the community to the quest of the perfect. [...]
1692 32 29_Re:The Third Parties and Shas20_Zachary J Braiterman24_zbraiter@mailbox.syr.edu36_Tue, 7 Nov 2000 09:42:13 -0500 (EST)483_US-ASCII <br><br><br><br>On Tue, 7 Nov 2000, Phil Safier wrote:<br><br>> You will eat shit for the promise of crumbs and the rest of the world can > go to hell if you can convince yourself that corporate whore Gore will > serve your interests. He serves those who can afford him. He has sold any > vestige of soul he may have had. Since he has not, nor will not (in fact > cannot) redeem himself, only stinging defeat holds any hope for ridding > himself of horribly bad karma. [...]
1725 190 26_Some election day parodies10_Ori Siegel17_oris@interlog.com31_Tue, 07 Nov 2000 12:39:31 -0500371_us-ascii For those of our American chaverim having to choose between the evil of two lessers today, I offer these parodies set to the tune "I am the very model of a modern major general" by Gilbert and Sullivan. Alas, I cannot take credit for them; that honour goes to a friend in Chicago who would just once like to vote FOR someone and not AGAINST someone else... [...]
1916 17 25_The election (what else?)11_Don Goelman31_goelman@tiger.csc.villanova.edu36_Tue, 7 Nov 2000 12:55:14 -0500 (EST)256_us-ascii Today's Doonesbury says it best.<br><br>Don<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
1934 19 30_Kibbutz Urim in the year 2000?16_Linda Hirschhorn18_vocolot@sirius.com31_Tue, 07 Nov 2000 11:12:26 -0700428_us-ascii I just finished Gavron's excellent and fascinating book on the kibbutz which someone on this list recommended a couple of months ago. Of course it has made me wonder where Urim fits into this picture of change and restructuring that has gone on in these last three decades. I was on workshop there in 1965 and i'm guessing things are very different now. Anybody willing to fill me in ? B'Shalom - Linda Hirschhorn [...]
1954 33 6_Safier0_22_Richardrdsmith@aol.com28_Tue, 7 Nov 2000 14:21:06 EST544_US-ASCII Phil has obviously woken up on the wrong side of the bed this boker. I find nothing wrong with criticizing Gore, but he didn't criticize he just called him names. How 'bout some choice names for Nader like: spoiler, he only wants to run to stop Gore and get Bush elected. He believes that it is better to have someone who is really bad, like Bush, than someone who is actually partly interested in environmental issues but not as much as him. If he succeeds in getting Bush elected and in getting the 5% he is going after it will [...]
1988 115 72_FWD: FW: [Fwd: Fw: THIS MAYBE A LITTLE LONG BUT YOU SHOULD FEEL BETTER!]11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@mjds.org30_Tue, 7 Nov 2000 19:31:30 -0600641_ISO-8859-1 <br><br><br><br><br><br>Subject: [Fwd: Fw: THIS MAYBE A LITTLE LONG BUT YOU SHOULD FEEL BETTER!]<br><br>This has been making the rounds. I hope I'm not the 3rd person sending it to you...<br><br><br><br>Subject: THIS MAYBE A LITTLE LONG BUT YOU SHOULD FEEL BETTER! Good News For A Change - Congressional Action Two import pro-Israel bills have passed in the U.S. House of Representatives and one in the Senate. The Fiscal Year 2001 Foreign Operations Bill passed the Senate and the House yesterday afternoon. At $14.9 billion, the bill fully funds the President's request. In accordance with Israel's bold plan to reduce its [...]
2104 57 35_Israeli Monopolies and the Internet17_Martin J. Goodman19_mgoodman@012.net.il30_Thu, 9 Nov 2000 09:16:13 +0200323_Windows-1252 9 November 2000<br><br>For a long while now, the focus of attention on Israeli political life has been on dealing with the Palestinians and threats to our Jewish state. As a result, many issues are receiving short shrift. One such (perhaps not so important) issue is the future of the internet in Israel. [...]
2162 160 10_Re: Safier11_Phil Safier17_psafier@elixa.com31_Thu, 09 Nov 2000 09:09:10 -0700
2323 84 7_annoyed12_nancy mimoun19_nmimoun@sunhill.com30_Thu, 9 Nov 2000 12:31:05 -0500555_iso-8859-1 I rarely write to Habonet. I do receive it all.<br><br>I enjoy a good debate. I enjoy getting information on subjects that I otherwise would only have the mass media's input...<br><br>What I really don't care for is the tone some of us take with each other. Sarcasm has its time and place. On this venue, when posting opinions it is fine to dissent, but keep in mind that you are not corresponding one on one. There is a whole audience out there on this listserve. Let's try to keep it civilized. It's nice for us "readers" to read varied [...]
2408 29 66_Re: annoyed - oy the censors rise again, aren't they annoying? :-)11_Noam Stopak26_n.stopak@scienceserver.com31_Thu, 09 Nov 2000 11:40:05 -0500332_us-ascii I wish to dissent. I enjoy the sarcasm, and I believe there are others like me here.<br><br>I believe that my time in Habonim was the time and place I truly grew to understand and appreciate sarcasm. This would be a dull place without it.<br><br>Censors have a right to voice their opinions, but not to stifle others. [...]
2438 123 30_Bush Or Gore: 'A New Era Dawns11_Phil Safier17_psafier@elixa.com31_Thu, 09 Nov 2000 10:24:29 -0700363_iso-8859-1 Bush Or Gore: 'A New Era Dawns<br><br>8 November 2000 AUSTIN, TX, OR NASHVILLE, TN--In one of the narrowest presidential votes in U.S. history, either George W. Bush or Al Gore was elected the 43rd president of the United States Tuesday, proclaiming the win "a victory for the American people and the dawn of a bold new era in this great nation." [...]
2562 271 36_I Am Third (caution: long and smart)11_Phil Safier17_psafier@elixa.com31_Thu, 09 Nov 2000 11:03:04 -0700722_iso-8859-1 >From http://suck.com/daily/2000/11/07/<br><br>In no reach of America's vast consumer sensorium do we see more choice as a bad thing, except when it comes to the small matter of selecting the most powerful political leader in the world. Any sentient news consumer hearing the expert media's distempered remarks concerning a certain rumpled Washington lawyer's underfunded third-party candidacy would be tempted to think the American republic had morphed overnight into a uni-party polity (called, perhaps, "Fundraisia") possessed with a distinctly Singaporean flair for concealing its own iron prerogatives beneath the trappings of plebiscitory democracy. The manic home-stretch messages of the enemies of [...]
2834 23 10_Re: Safier0_18_Rachelbern@aol.com28_Thu, 9 Nov 2000 15:56:02 EST525_US-ASCII A conversation:<br><br>Mr. A: I know... you... raise... questions... with... extreme bad taste,.... Mr. B: You... uppity... shit!... They are not...wrong!... Mr. A: This time!... That may feel good to you, but... Mr. B: Fine.... So be it... Something... in NM... went unrequited,... asshole, and... like a young woman... who says poetry is dull,... I don't recall... Jim Morrison. Mr. A: Confused Jew!...Talk about... hope,... dubious... focus,... vague...death----- and land... into the...hands of... a guy... [...]
2858 22 10_Re: Safier0_15_DebALev@aol.com28_Thu, 9 Nov 2000 16:01:03 EST510_US-ASCII That about sums it up, Rachel. Well said.<br><br>Doesn't this somehow remind you of a schoolboy pissing contest? Ya know, how far can YOU shoot it?<br><br>Sheesh.<br><br>Debbie (listening to the Bush campaign folks do the same thing and being absolutely convinced that we need to elect more women)<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
2881 29 20_UJC General Assembly0_14_KBob24@aol.com29_Thu, 09 Nov 2000 17:07:04 EST514_ISO-8859-1 Hi Folks:<br><br>As I had previously announced, we will hold a get together of Habonim Alumni at the GA in Chicago next week.<br><br>Here are the details:<br><br>Sunday evening, after the evening entertainment, around 11:00-11:30, we will meet in the NY Federation's suite. To get the exact room number and any additional details, drop by the Aliyah Department booth in the exhibit area. Look for Jamie Levin, mazkir Habonim Dror, or Dani Lamdan, Shaliach. There will be invitations there as well. [...]
2911 54 34_Re: Kibbutz Urim in the year 2000?13_Yehuda Riemer20_aminadav@urim.org.il31_Fri, 10 Nov 2000 00:09:18 +0200598_iso-8859-1 A short (and a bit subjective) resume of the present situation in Urim: Birthrate close to zero - just one baby this year. Weddings on the kibbutz or marriages with couples staying: zero Leaving or left: a large number of the more active and promising managerial talents. Reasons: the kibbutz was not willing to accede to their demands for differential salaries. Privatized: a large number of the personal budgets, such as cigarettes, TV sets (you get a yearly budget, so you can replace yours within a number of years), electricity. The big change: food. You have to pay for meals [...]
2966 55 15_Organize?!?!?!?11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@erols.com31_Fri, 10 Nov 2000 00:51:13 -0500459_us-ascii Dear Chevre--<br><br>I don't usually vote for sarcasm, unless the object of the sarcasm obviously relishes that form of dialogue, which Phil OBVIOUSLY does.<br><br>That said, this is addressed to Phil:<br><br>So,your argument to me is that when Jeb steals the election for his big brother and we lose what we already have, we are supposed to organize? And I presume that you and your Greeny, meany friends and your hero, Mr Nader, will lead us? [...]
3022 15 10_Rachelburn0_22_Richardrdsmith@aol.com29_Fri, 10 Nov 2000 08:31:53 EST298_US-ASCII And of course you can stay above the fray because when you pee it goes straight down.<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
3038 32 19_Re: Organize?!?!?!?20_Zachary J Braiterman24_zbraiter@mailbox.syr.edu37_Fri, 10 Nov 2000 11:29:22 -0500 (EST)590_US-ASCII <br><br><br><br>Just to add on to Judy's comment. 3% is very lame. Compare in contrast the 19% that Perot garnered in 1992! Unofrtunately, though, I do have friends who voted Green. Usually for awful reasons ("voting my conscience," "Gore is this or that," "it's safe to vote Nader in NY or CA"). The one that hit me hardest was my brother, who regurgitated the same basic lines parroted by the Nader-types; he went on to add that voters in San Francisco voted to restrict real-estate development for dot.coms and close Golden Gate Park to traffic on weekends. I guess we can [...]
3071 37 19_Re: Organize?!?!?!?11_Batel Libes25_batel_libes@earthlink.net31_Fri, 10 Nov 2000 08:39:55 -0800567_us-ascii Living in S.F. and working for a dot.com company I can say that much of the vote against such development was a scapegoat vote. But that's a discussion for a different place.<br><br>Batel<br><br>Zachary J Braiterman wrote:<br><br>> Just to add on to Judy's comment. 3% is very lame. Compare in contrast the > 19% that Perot garnered in 1992! Unofrtunately, though, I do have friends > who voted Green. Usually for awful reasons ("voting my conscience," "Gore > is this or that," "it's safe to vote Nader in NY or CA"). The one that hit > me hardest was [...]
3109 36 31_Re: Safier - are we sexist yet?11_Noam Stopak26_n.stopak@scienceserver.com31_Fri, 10 Nov 2000 11:57:24 -0500339_us-ascii DebALev@aol.com wrote:<br><br>> That about sums it up, Rachel. Well said. > > Doesn't this somehow remind you of a schoolboy pissing contest? Ya know, how > far can YOU shoot it? > > Sheesh. > > Debbie (listening to the Bush campaign folks do the same thing and being > absolutely convinced that we need to elect more women) [...]
3146 24 31_Re: Safier - are we sexist yet?0_15_DebALev@aol.com29_Fri, 10 Nov 2000 12:03:41 EST477_US-ASCII True, Noam, and I apologize for the sexist thing....however, frankly, I've seen a number of these little spats on Habonet, and perhaps I should have said it's more like little kids going Did not! Did so! Did not! Did so!<br><br>That seems to fit too.<br><br>Debbie<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
3171 129 38_Friendship Enmity and the Two Cultures12_Amnon Hadary22_amriv@netvision.net.il31_Fri, 10 Nov 2000 22:02:06 +0200618_iso-8859-1 There still isn't a street in Jerusalem named for Rabin because the Jewish opponents of peace would consider such a street naming ceremony as incendiary and offensive to their sensibilities. Today, five years after Yitzhak Rabin's assassination the State of Israel has gotten around to paying its respects properly: to the violent manner of his removal from the office to which he was democratically elected and to the pinnacle of this general's eventful life, his strategic decision for peace. On TV there was a retrospective of old clips of Rabin. In one of them, when asked about his favorite song, [...]
3301 22 26_Political rallies tomorrow11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@erols.com31_Fri, 10 Nov 2000 17:40:47 -0500449_us-ascii Dear Chevre--<br><br>If you are interested in participating, here is a website listing sites for protests scheduled for tomorrow at 1 PM throughout the country.<br><br>http://geocities.com/countercoup/<br><br>Shabbat shalom- Judy Gelman<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
3324 26 14_Re: Rachelburn0_18_Rachelbern@aol.com29_Fri, 10 Nov 2000 19:37:31 EST331_US-ASCII That's BErn, bub<br><br>Oh wait, you probably knew that, and --- I get it!<br><br>Actually, I wasn't trying to burn anyone; I took a quick glance over Phil's email, figuring it didn't say anything different from the last (but with more words) and I suddenly saw, well it was almost poetry, in the form of a dialogue. [...]
3351 142 38_Michael Moore + Florida's elderly Jews11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@mjds.org31_Sat, 11 Nov 2000 08:12:20 -0600631_us-ascii <br><br>>Dear friends, > >There was something about yesterday's demonstration in front of the >courthouse in Palm Beach County that profoundly moved me. Hundreds of >elderly Jewish citizens, many in tears, demanding, begging for someone to >listen to them. They tried to explain that the ballot they voted on was so >confusing they feared that they had actually voted for Pat Buchanan (a man >who once said "Hitler was an individual of great courage") instead the man >they wanted for president, Al Gore. > >Rather than being heard, they have been ridiculed across the country as >being "stupid," "ignorant" or "sore [...]
3494 48 42_Re: Michael Moore + Florida's elderly Jews0_17_Smfgrappa@aol.com29_Sat, 11 Nov 2000 10:20:15 EST640_US-ASCII <br><br>Thank you Rossie....you are a sweetheart for post that message<br><br>There is something very deeply moving about Michael Moore's deathbed conversion. Throughout this entire campaign he has been saying the worst possible things about Gore and also about Israel. I respect Michael Moore I think he talks from the heart. But I think his many misives against Al Gore did much damage. You can write to Mike at <A HREF="mailto:mikemail@cloud9.net">mikemail@cloud9.net</A> and let him know how much we appreciate his being moved by what happenned in Palm Beacb. It would also be wonderful if Mike would join the rest of the [...]
3543 143 10_Re: Safier0_17_Smfgrappa@aol.com29_Sat, 11 Nov 2000 11:08:45 EST483_US-ASCII In a message dated 11/9/00 11:01:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, psafier@elixa.com writes:<br><br><< ook Richardrdsmith, I know how you must feel. It's circle-the-wagon time once again for The Jewish People(tm) and we must avoid any talk that The Enemy(tm) might construe as dissension. One (especially a Jewish One) should not raise any questions about Israel's behavior lo these many decades of occupation of The Promised Land(tm). _____________________________________ [...]
3687 59 25_Don't you just love this?11_Phil Safier17_psafier@elixa.com31_Sat, 11 Nov 2000 09:30:53 -0700373_us-ascii What do you love most about this debacle? There may be no end to the glee.<br><br>Seeing the mask of sanity and responsibility dissolve and the stinking reality emerge?<br><br>Old Jews rioting in Palm Beach?<br><br>Realizing that we live in a Third World country with money?<br><br>Seeing Al Gore called a spoiler?<br><br>Watching Dubya afflicted with boils? [...]
3747 27 37_Sometimes Neo-Liberal Prattle is True0_22_Richardrdsmith@aol.com29_Sat, 11 Nov 2000 14:26:20 EST638_US-ASCII >From The New Republic:<br><br>But Nader--and his egomania--must assume the lion's share of the blame. During this campaign, he revealed himself to be a cynical politician. And one can only assume that the election results illustrate that many of his youthful idealistic followers have grown disillusioned. Last night, in TV interviews, he spouted a breathtaking number of half-truths. He attributed Gore's West Virginia loss to the vice president's inability to criticize the coal companies, as if Gore had never written Earth in the Balance. He continued to claim that he did not care a lick about the ultimate outcome of [...]
3775 48 41_Re: Sometimes Neo-Liberal Prattle is True0_15_DebALev@aol.com29_Sat, 11 Nov 2000 14:36:54 EST362_US-ASCII In a message dated 11/11/00 11:27:16 AM Pacific Standard Time, Richardrdsmith@aol.com writes:<br><br>> Last night, in TV > interviews, he spouted a breathtaking number of half-truths. He attributed > Gore's West Virginia loss to the vice president's inability to criticize the > > coal companies, as if Gore had never written Earth in the Balance. [...]
3824 31 23_Re:Changing the subject7_Greener25_ddwgreen@netvision.net.il31_Sat, 11 Nov 2000 22:43:44 +0200387_us-ascii Sorry guys, but I'm going to change the subject. Not that events in Israel b'gadol and the elections in the US aren't fateful subjects, but I've been waiting for a couple of weeks for a break in all these weighty events with a really minor request. Since it now looks as if both these major events will take quite a bit of time to get settled, I'll just stick this in now: [...]
3856 58 17_Re:u`ru ha tzofeh14_Frankie Meppen20_ganenet1@hotmail.com29_Sat, 11 Nov 2000 22:35:27 PST677_- <br><br>U` ru ha tzofeh yikra mei rosh migdal kolo yishama heetoreri yerushalaym<br><br>u`ree kiva dodech u`ree panav kiblu halleluya likrat ha netzach heen konu u`ru tzi`una likrato<br><br>That`s all I remember. Hope someone else out there can supply the rest. B` hatzlacha! Frankie Meppen<br><br>>From: Greener <ddwgreen@netvision.net.il> >Reply-To: habonet@shamash.org >To: habonet@shamash.org >Subject: Re:Changing the subject >Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 22:43:44 +0200 > >Sorry guys, but I'm going to change the subject. Not that events in >Israel b'gadol and the elections in the US aren't fateful subjects, but >I've been waiting for a couple of weeks for a break in [...]
3915 49 31_Re: u`ru ha tzofeh ( for Trudy)0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Sun, 12 Nov 2000 13:46:30 EST526_US-ASCII Dear Trudy-<br><br>In my wanderings around, from the US to Israel back to the US and then traveling - most of my Habonim material, not to mention all of my college books got lost. I also went through some floods when we lived in Houston, the big earthquake out here in LA, and not to mention a huge robbery ( where they took my violin and a refrigerator!) when I was living in the warehouse next to the Houston Film Studios- a lot of film people had lofts there) when I was gone for six months working on a film [...]
3965 24 14_Looking for...0_15_NEVETS2@aol.com29_Mon, 13 Nov 2000 02:18:07 EST360_US-ASCII JACOB TAL IZHAK OHEL RIVKA BARLEV<br><br>Los Altos, CA<br><br>Anyone know any of these folks?<br><br>Please write me privately.<br><br>Chaver Steve<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
3990 93 29_Re: Don't you just love this?0_18_Rachelbern@aol.com29_Mon, 13 Nov 2000 02:37:06 EST619_US-ASCII <<The discrediting of the media?>> Yeah, right. And when a media outlet comes out with an expose that brings down a corrupt politician, discovers a health hazard that is being covered up by a company or ignored by the oversight agency, or is simply diligent, fair, and truthful in its reporting, suddenly readers begin to look up to the media as a sterling example of diligence and veracity and all that's pure and good about America. It seems to me thatthe world is getting increasingly fond of incidents leading to mass hysteria and speculation that [the banking industry/medical profession/the company [...]
4084 61 35_KUMSITZ TIME IN YERUSHALAYIM AGAIN!0_13_SC523@aol.com29_Mon, 13 Nov 2000 02:38:45 EST382_US-ASCII It's kumsitz time in Yerushalayim again! Please reserve the date, Motsei Shabbat, 30 December, 7:00 P.M. - midnight, at the home of Janet Baumgold and Martin Land. Come as an individual, or organize a carful. Call old Habo friends whom you haven't seen for awhile and get them to put it on their calendars - especially people whom you know don't subscribe to Habonet. [...]
4146 195 102_For you presidential election junkies: "The Problem and the Solution in Palm Beach County and Florida"54_Lonnie Golden (by way of Lonnie Golden <lmg5@psu.edu>)12_lmg5@psu.edu31_Mon, 13 Nov 2000 10:47:00 -0500506_us-ascii Dear Habonet, For those of you who find it hard, as i do, to sit on the sidelines and watch Repubs try to "create facts on the ground," below is a letter i posted re: the ballot counting "irregularities" in FL.<br><br>Lonnie Golden<br><br>P.S. A few questions--How many absentee ballots cast in FL should we expect to arrive from Israel this week? Hey Nader voters, especially in FL, WI, NM and OR--any second thoughts?? Hey Ben Laden, any thoughts about massive "irregularity" in Florida??? [...]
4342 49 20_look out for viruses11_Batel Libes19_batel@realmedia.com31_Mon, 13 Nov 2000 11:16:56 -0800459_Windows-1252 Hi, Two new viruses are hitting the net as I write this. They are not .exe files, so they may mislead you into thinking they are safe, which they are not.<br><br>Look out for: GIAIHI.bmp and CUMEO.jpg<br><br>Batel<br><br>________________________________<br><br>Batel Libes Director, Education Services<br><br>Real Media 2180 Bryant St. San Francisco, CA 94110 tel 415.643.5071 ext. 213 fax 415.643.7484 batel@realmedia.com www.realmedia.com [...]
4392 23 8_Avi Lyon16_Elihu D. Davison21_EliD@worldnet.att.net31_Mon, 13 Nov 2000 15:19:09 -0500472_us-ascii I'm sending this note for those Habonetters who knew Avi Lyon of the 11th Workshop. Avi's father, Daniel Lyon, died this morning. Avi, his wife and kids are now in transit to Florida for the funeral. His family will return home on Thursday, but Avi will remain in Florida for some period of time longer to begin clearing up affairs. Those wishing to extend condolences may do so to Avi at his home should contact me directly (and privately) for his address. [...]
4416 26 29_Re: Don't you just love this?0_22_Richardrdsmith@aol.com29_Mon, 13 Nov 2000 16:07:49 EST586_US-ASCII In a message dated 11/13/00 2:38:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, Rachelbern@aol.com writes:<br><br>> In 1824, in a 4-way presidential race, Andrew Jackson won the popular vote by > > some 24,000 votes, while John Quincy Adams won the electoral college and, > therefore, the White House.<br><br>Rachel your point is good but your facts are wrong. Jackson received the plurality of the electoral vote but didn't get enough to win the election so the whole thing was sent to the House of Representatives where a deal between Adams' people and Henry Clay brought JQA into power. [...]
4443 32 29_Re: Don't you just love this?0_18_Rachelbern@aol.com29_Mon, 13 Nov 2000 18:23:31 EST301_US-ASCII << Rachel your point is good but your facts are wrong. Jackson received the plurality of the electoral vote but didn't get enough to win the election so the whole thing was sent to the House of Representatives where a deal between Adams' people and Henry Clay brought JQA into power. >> [...]
4476 184 43_FWD: by Bob Freedman European Anti-Semitism11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@mjds.org31_Mon, 13 Nov 2000 22:11:26 -0600548_us-ascii -Status2: 00000000 > > EUROPEAN ANTI-SEMITISM AT THE TURN OF THE CENTURY: A NEW PHENOMENON? > > by > > Dr. Robert O. Freedman > > > With the rash of attacks on synagogues in France and Germany in recent > weeks, there is a growing fear of a major revival of anti-semitism in Europe > for the first time since World War Two.However, a close examination of the > recent anti-semitic outbreak indicates that unlike the situation before > World War Two when there was a strong current of Facism in both West and East > Europe, the causes [...]
4661 235 56_Let's try to remember what we are working against, folks4_Ezra26_foundation@habonimdror.org31_Tue, 14 Nov 2000 02:00:48 -0500295_iso-8859-1 I'm going to have to show some solidarity with Phil Safier on this one. I voted for Ralph Nader and I am not ashamed to admit it.<br><br>This little tidbit was written by my big sister, who was never in Habonim, after she voted for Nader and it sums up my reasoning pretty well. [...]
4897 59 60_Re: Let's try to remember what we are working against, folks0_22_Richardrdsmith@aol.com29_Tue, 14 Nov 2000 03:46:04 EST593_US-ASCII While I am sure your feelings are honestly held and deeply felt they are also sanctimonious and patronizing.<br><br>"my passion for justice is as deep as those who support Gore, but probably deeper than Gore's and his advisors."<br><br>This black&white view of the world is so simplistic it is dangerous. I would agree that Gore's main concern was probably to become president but only by becoming president could he do anything else. This statement also implies that those who supported Bush have no passion for "justice." As if "justice" is the sole property of the left wing. [...]
4957 32 60_Re: Let's try to remember what we are working against, folks20_Zachary J Braiterman24_zbraiter@mailbox.syr.edu37_Tue, 14 Nov 2000 09:35:50 -0500 (EST)506_US-ASCII <br><br><br><br>On Tue, 14 Nov 2000, Ezra wrote: > This little tidbit was written by my big sister, who was never in Habonim, after she voted for Nader and it sums up my reasoning pretty well. > > Please do not hate the Green Party, but rather the GREED-dominated politics that it is trying to combat. If the "Left" is torn further apart by internal viciousness and hatred (based in its own pain and fear), then the Right wins a lot more than the White House. That would be the true tragedy. [...]
4990 64 33_HOW TO VOTE IN PALM BEACH FLORIDA13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@sasa.org.il31_Tue, 14 Nov 2000 16:36:42 +0200128_windows-1255 I think this should clear up any confusion about the Florida fiasco:<br><br>http://members.aol.com/mwcwpb/vote.html
5055 52 60_Re: Let's try to remember what we are working against, folks0_17_Smfgrappa@aol.com29_Tue, 14 Nov 2000 09:47:03 EST463_ISO-8859-1 <br><br>"my passion for justice is as deep as those who support Gore, but probably deeper than Gore's and his advisors."<br><br>Gore is a pretty passionate guy. Certainly much more passionate and involved by many orders of magnitude than Phil.<br><br><br><br>"I do not think that either the Democratic or Republican party has the interests of "the people" at heart --and certainly not the poor, underprivileged, vulnerable people of this country" [...]
5108 131 24_Torah v'Avodah v'Haganah12_Amnon Hadary22_amriv@netvision.net.il31_Tue, 14 Nov 2000 23:03:40 +0200600_us-ascii <br><br><br><br>Haverot/im Let us talk today of heroic figures who do not come out of our world of dialogue. We can perhaps learn something about ourselves, our commitments our certainties and our doubts by looking at theirs.<br><br>In 1926 Uri Zvi Greenberg, a labor Zionist poet who later was to become closely associated with the Revisionist movement and the Irgun [their poet laureate as a matter of fact ] wrote the poem RESPLENDENT "Ein Harod, Tel Yosef and Beit Alphah, two Deganiot feverish and malarial ! Jerusalem - a tefillin for the head and the Emek - a phylactery for the [...]
5240 209 37_Fwd: Shlichim needed to teach Zionism0_15_NEVETS2@aol.com29_Wed, 15 Nov 2000 01:07:39 EST348_US-ASCII This heartfelt message about current conditions in Israel and the role of our Movement is from Yigal Selah, Director of the Takam Overseas Office, who is in American for consultations with his Habonim Dror Shlichim, with Movement leaders and with Federations that contract for Takam Shlichim. He can be reached at ysela@INTER.NET.IL. [...]
5450 229 64_How can someone be a spoiler in a system that's already spoiled?4_Ezra26_foundation@habonimdror.org31_Wed, 15 Nov 2000 02:00:07 -0500334_iso-8859-1 If Al Gore loses this election, he has noone to blame but himself. He had all the advantages of an incumbent Administration, but he never generated enthusiasm and many voters cast ballots for him out of pragmatism, not conviction. He couldn't even win his home state of Tennessee. You can't blame the Greens for that. [...]
5680 38 69_RE: How can someone be a spoiler in a system that's already spoil ed?12_Fine, Sharon14_FineS@MLHS.ORG31_Wed, 15 Nov 2000 10:09:25 -0500547_- I've been away for 2 weeks and don't have time to read the 109 letters in my inbox, so I started at the most recent. If I repeat things that have already been said, I apologize to all. When a viable candidate is running for election, it's standard practice to not come down too hard an many issues because you want to alienate as few people as possible. This can backfire, but usually works. Once in office, the politician can then start to get things done. Nader could afford to talk about all these issues because everyone knew there was [...]
5719 41 16_re: uru hatzofeh18_Abba & Dvora Caspi16_adcaspi@home.com31_Wed, 15 Nov 2000 12:08:26 -0500550_Windows-1252 Trudy,<br><br>I don't have a score for Cantata 140 handy, but the Uru hatzofeh words seem to be a fairly faithful translation of a 16th century hymn Wachet Auf by Philip Nicolai which portrays the second coming of Jesus as if he were a bridegroom come to claim his bride, the soul. Check http://hymnuts.luthersem.edu/hcompan/texts/hymn031.htm For that reason, when I wanted to perform that marvelous music in later years I switched over to the Halleluya Me'afsayim lyrics as published in the Merkaz Letarbut version of the chorale. [...]
5761 44 68_Re: How can someone be a spoiler in a system that's already spoiled?0_14_KBob24@aol.com29_Wed, 15 Nov 2000 13:24:41 EST600_ISO-8859-1 Ezra:<br><br>I haven't gotten involved in this discussion, leaving it to others. However, your comment "I'm honestly surprised by the amount of vocal supporters for Gore on this listserv" causes me to respond.<br><br>I am not apologetic about my vote and support for Gore. In my life I have participated in many a political process. When I lived in Israel, a parliamentary system, I could use my vote to express a more finely tuned opinion. When I participate in street demonstrations (yes, at my age I still do such things) I support the cause directly. When I contribute dollars to [...]
5806 71 9_shabbaton7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il31_Wed, 15 Nov 2000 23:12:37 +0200460_windows-1255 chaverim, Due to the situation, several people who wanted to participate in the shabbaton at Kibbutz Lotan have asked us to reschedule the weekend to "quieter times." We agreed. Thanks to those chaverim who volunteered to help with the organization of the shabbaton. We hope that better days will prevail and that we shall be able to hold our shabbaton as planned in the near future. Meanwhile, chizku v'imtzu! b'virkat chaverim, michael and pearl
5878 28 68_Re: How can someone be a spoiler in a system that's already spoiled?0_15_AvivaMT@aol.com29_Wed, 15 Nov 2000 18:12:03 EST594_US-ASCII I, too, have refrained from commenting on the election, but several comments by others have pushed me to respond. I also signed petitions to get Nader on the Illinois ballot, an action I will rethink should the opportunity arise again.<br><br>This election like few others in recent history will have implications for my future and that of my children. Social security is on the line; education is at a crossroads; the rights of women to make choices about their bodies and gun control may take several steps backward. You have to fight within the system, and the system, like it [...]
5907 265 14_spoiled rotten11_Phil Safier17_psafier@elixa.com31_Wed, 15 Nov 2000 23:17:44 -0700
6173 35 18_Re: spoiled rotten0_18_Rachelbern@aol.com29_Thu, 16 Nov 2000 03:07:58 EST580_US-ASCII <<Get some grief counseling and move on.>><br><br>Easy for you to say, the grief is just beginning for those of us who are about to be invaded by a multitude of young, idealistic, starry-eyed politicos-in-training who expect to take Washington by storm. Happens with every new administration, suddenly every Starbucks and Metro car is filled to the brim with groups of kids talking loudly about their connection to the new administration (regularly sneaking a peek around to see if anyone is paying attention) and bemoaning the high price of their group-house rent. [...]
6209 73 23_Why the poor don't vote11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@erols.com31_Thu, 16 Nov 2000 07:31:44 -0500351_us-ascii Dear Ezra-<br><br>The notation that the poor don't vote because they don't feel the candidates represent their interests ignores that in this election voter participation in the Black community rose over 50 percent of eligible voters in some communities.<br><br>There are many reasons besides alienation that the very poor do not voter. [...]
6283 42 36_Re: Shlichim needed to teach Zionism0_16_LabZionA@aol.com29_Thu, 16 Nov 2000 09:57:11 EST592_US-ASCII Dear friends,<br><br>I feel I have to add a few words about the issue of the Habonim Chavera demonstrating with the Palestinians against Barak. Not only is she among the very few of Habonim's radicalfar left, she hasn't really been too involved in Habonim activity since workshop. I had a chance to exchange emails with her to find out what makes her tick and what she had to say was simply that she was demonstrating for Palestinian self-determination. I don't how she could do with with all the people holding signs saying Barak=Hitler, nor do I completely understand why she [...]
6326 17 21_Gilboa Camp Committee11_Batel Libes25_batel_libes@earthlink.net31_Thu, 16 Nov 2000 08:22:15 -0800298_us-ascii Hi, Does anyone know how to get in touch with the Gilboa camp committee?<br><br>Batel<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
6344 58 36_Re: Shlichim needed to teach Zionism0_15_NEVETS2@aol.com29_Thu, 16 Nov 2000 15:10:17 EST573_US-ASCII Chevre, shalom<br><br>The problem that I was pointing to in my message to Yigal was not simply the maapila looking to demonstrate against Barak in Chicago. That was but a symptom of the much larger, difficult and complex problem facing us all in updating our Movement's intellectual, ideological and strategic support for the "Peace Process". Who are the "good guys" and who are the "bad guys" now? Is it too early to even tell? Do we need some time to drop back and see what longer term policies and strategies are adopted by our Movement leaders in Israel? [...]
6403 108 20_FW: Another approach12_Fine, Sharon14_FineS@MLHS.ORG31_Thu, 16 Nov 2000 19:30:25 -0500583_- <br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>> NOTICE OF REVOCATION OF INDEPENDENCE > > To the citizens of the United States of America, In the light of your > failure to elect a President of the USA and thus to govern yourselves, we > hereby give notice of the revocation of your independence, effective > today. > > Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II will resume monarchial duties > over > all states, commonwealths and other territories. Except Utah, which she > does not fancy. Your new prime minister (The rt. hon. Tony Blair, MP for > the 97.85% of you who have until now been [...]
6512 73 65_The Descent of Anath into the Underworld: A Winter Solstice Story12_Amnon Hadary22_amriv@netvision.net.il31_Fri, 17 Nov 2000 18:06:50 +0200561_us-ascii <br><br>Haverim/ot [I got the following from the internet. Amazing where you can reinforce your Yiddishkeit] Now Maveth came to desire the Virgin Goddess Anath. He soon devised a plot to win Her from the Company of Gods. In the dead of Night, He stole away the Sun and Moon and carried Them into Sheol. He sent a message to Kindly El, demanding Anath be sent to Him, else the World would have Light no more. El, the Most High, was afraid, and wished not to send His Beautiful Daughter into the Cold Darkness of Sheol. The Divine Court agreed with [...]
6586 193 10_Capitalism4_Ezra26_foundation@habonimdror.org31_Fri, 17 Nov 2000 19:11:04 -0500407_iso-8859-1 I can't help it Phil, I feel the need to be the voice of dissent.<br><br>Bush is dumb and Gore is a Liar. These are the dominant characteristics of our two presidential candidates. I didn't make this up. This is how they've been portrayed by the mainstream media for months. I couldn't decide which was more dangerous for our country so I voted for Nader. That's not the only reason though. [...]
6780 77 14_Re: Capitalism11_Phil Safier17_psafier@elixa.com31_Fri, 17 Nov 2000 22:54:53 -0700
6858 22 14_Re: Capitalism0_18_Rachelbern@aol.com29_Sat, 18 Nov 2000 11:15:26 EST390_US-ASCII In a message dated 11/17/00 3:58:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, foundation@habonimdror.org writes:<br><br><< These are the dominant characteristics of our two presidential candidates. I didn't make this up. This is how they've been portrayed by the mainstream media for months. >><br><br>You mean the same mainstream media that has portrayed Nader as a kook for about 30 years? [...]
6881 66 5_Ralph17_Martin J. Goodman19_mgoodman@012.net.il31_Sun, 19 Nov 2000 09:52:46 +0200466_windows-1255 19 November 2000<br><br>Chevreh Shalom:<br><br>In Habonet Digest, Phil Safier refers to the hidden Greens. Some of us are not hidden, rather we have divided loyalties.<br><br>For many years in Maryland and subsequently in California, I voted Democratic for all the obvious reasons. However, as others have abundantly stated, the Democratic party in it's pursuit of power and money, gradually abandoned many of the values that progressives espouse. [...]
6948 23 9_Re: Ralph8_Ephraims14_cbma@erols.com31_Sun, 19 Nov 2000 19:07:10 +0000458_us-ascii Marty-<br><br>It was nice to meet you at the reunion. I told you then that I liked your letters and I still do. Thank you for your point of view. I was able to read it without feeling like I was being bitch-slapped.<br><br>Shelly<br><br><br><br><br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
6972 15 60_Re: Let's try to remember what we are working against, folks0_18_Judithb253@aol.com29_Sun, 19 Nov 2000 23:46:05 EST327_US-ASCII wow, Richard, for once I'm with you 100 % ! you have the right way with words, and those needed to be said. judy b<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
6988 15 68_Re: How can someone be a spoiler in a system that's already spoiled?0_18_Judithb253@aol.com29_Sun, 19 Nov 2000 23:57:27 EST331_US-ASCII Ezra Weinberg can say what he likes - but I resent it sounding like he feels he represents the movement as he says it.<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
7004 19 24_Heiveinu Shalom Aleichem0_15_NEVETS2@aol.com29_Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:21:39 EST393_US-ASCII Chevre, Shalom<br><br>Any clues as to the origin of this song? Sounds like it has European origins, for sure, but that it was really an early Israeli folk song.<br><br>Chaver Steve<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
7024 29 10_Home again10_Sue Anello19_sanello@bestweb.net31_Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:58:59 -0500426_iso-8859-1 On a more personal note....I returned last year from living in England for 12 years. Talk about diaspora! At no time (even within the Jewish community) did I feel like I was among my own people. Then last year we moved back to the New York area and I felt like I was at least communicating with people who spoke my language and who were carrying on an intellegent political discourse. And there's the food.... [...]
7054 136 14_Re: Capitalism0_17_Smfgrappa@aol.com29_Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:14:06 EST628_ISO-8859-1 Phil said<br><br>You the man and you state the case clearly, but remember what can happen when you cast pearls before swine. These folks don't want a discussion of issues.<br><br>Sam says Phil I don't remember you discussing any issues. Let's forget about Gore and Nader and talk about issues. Let's talk about global warming/Kyoto, lets talk about health care/CHIP, let's talk about affirmative action, lets talk about gay rights/ lets talk about poverty/ let's talk about a living wage, let's talk about hate crime laws, lets talk about racial profiling, lets talk about clear cutting in our national forests, [...]
7191 51 8_Diaspora29_Richard Steacy & Esther Cohen22_richard.steacy@gte.net31_Mon, 20 Nov 2000 18:18:09 -0500406_iso-8859-1 here's a general question:<br><br>when you (anyone, please) use the term, diaspora, to whom are you referring? does it include second and third generations?<br><br>thanks.<br><br>-esther cohen most 70-75+ workshop 27(?), gesher haziv ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Anello" <sanello@bestweb.net> To: <habonet@shamash.org> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 9:58 AM Subject: Home again [...]
7243 31 12_Re: Diaspora0_14_LHIAM1@aol.com29_Mon, 20 Nov 2000 20:20:50 EST272_US-ASCII The Diaspora is a spatial gap not a generation gap -- It has to do with where you live (anywhere outside of our national homeland --- which thankfully some may define as beyond the green line :) It doesn't matter how long you or your generations have lived there.
7275 77 12_Re: Diaspora29_Richard Steacy & Esther Cohen22_richard.steacy@gte.net31_Tue, 21 Nov 2000 07:21:33 -0500451_iso-8859-1 thanks very much. -esther ----- Original Message ----- From: LHIAM1@aol.com To: habonet@shamash.org Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 8:20 PM Subject: Re: Diaspora<br><br><br><br>The Diaspora is a spatial gap not a generation gap -- It has to do with where you live (anywhere outside of our national homeland --- which thankfully some may define as beyond the green line :) It doesn't matter how long you or your generations have lived there.
7353 81 21_Nobel Prize recission16_Elihu D. Davison21_EliD@worldnet.att.net31_Tue, 21 Nov 2000 11:54:06 -0500448_us-ascii The following letter is being circulated. Please copy the text below the broken line, add your own signature at the end, and post it to the following email addresses: postmaster@nobel.no gl@nobel.no<br><br>For the sake of peace and justice. -------------------------------------------------------------------- To The Honourable Members Of The Norwegian Nobel Committee To The Director Of The Norwegian Nobel Institute 4 November 2000 [...]
7435 48 16_Welcome back Sue14_Barry Grushkin26_103640.2135@compuserve.com31_Wed, 22 Nov 2000 09:36:37 -0500622_us-ascii Sue,<br><br>Welcome back. I am always struck by all the people who have special feelings about Habonim and Habonim camp. I have lived in many places, England too, and have become more aware of major cultural differences. I often think about what is it that makes and made the Habonim culture so valuable to so many. Certainly different priorities. There is a sense that caring is important, about social goals, individuals and the community. I think there was always the belief that mutual support was important. That excepting everyone was important. That contribution was important. There was a sense that [...]
7484 51 23_A wonderful opportunity0_14_LHIAM1@aol.com29_Wed, 22 Nov 2000 10:49:13 EST595_US-ASCII The Jerusalem Post has just announced a new opening in then New York office for a Web/Radio advertising sales person to begin immediately. The right applicant will need to be "go-getter" who is excited about working within the Jewish/Israel public world and is at the cutting edge of technical information marketing. The position offers a base salary plus commission, as well as bonuses. Financial remuneration is limited only by the applicant's own success. There are multiple support mechanisms in place to help insure the success of the new hire. Please contact me OFF LIST at: [...]
7536 15 13_Breaking news14_Holtzer Family20_carmdave@urim.org.il31_Wed, 22 Nov 2000 19:12:43 +0200329_iso-8859-1 At approx 5 PM a car bomb went off next to a crowded bus in Hadera. At least 2 dead, 25 wounded and still counting<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
7552 109 65_The 6th Annual InterGalactic Jewish Music Festival / E-MAIL FLYER0_29_benjamin_laden@peoplesoft.com31_Wed, 22 Nov 2000 14:09:32 -0500640_iso-8859-1 <br><br><br><br>********The 6th Annual InterGalactic Jewish Music Festival******** ********************November 26, 2000:EARTH DATE****************** **********************Alpheratz, Andromeda************************ *******************WWW.GEOCITIES.COM/SPACEJEW6********************<br><br>After five years of presenting new Jewish music to audiences in Philadelphia, the InterGalactic Jewish Music Festival has gone truly InterGalactic and will hold this year's festival on the star Alpheratz in the Andromeda galaxy.<br><br>Performances by these Jewish groups from different galaxies will highlight this year's festival: [...]
7662 128 25_Aval Ha'manginah Nisheret12_Amnon Hadary22_amriv@netvision.net.il31_Wed, 22 Nov 2000 23:10:44 +0200575_us-ascii Haverot/im It is as intractable as a tooth ache and as likely to materialize again even though you've had some really expensive work done on your mouth. And you know that when it attacks it is hopeless. And though it's name changes: the Arab "riots" of 1936-39, the '48 war of Independence, the Fedayun attacks of the 50's and 60's the Sinai Campaign, Six Day War, War of Attrition, Yom Kippur, Lebanon, Intifada I, Intifada II - and counting. It drains the soul, brutalizes the culture; but worst of all it leaves you feeling cheated. You once thought and you [...]
7791 26 36_Let's Pull the Plug on Arafat's Aura17_Martin J. Goodman19_mgoodman@012.net.il31_Wed, 22 Nov 2000 10:51:57 +0200407_windows-1255 22 November 2000<br><br>I'd like to second Elihu's idea to revoke Arafat's Nobel prize.<br><br>Arafat was awarded the Nobel Prize more in the hope that he would work for peace in the future than for the work he had already done.<br><br>Now that Arafat is actually struggling against peace, we should not allow him to use the mantle of the Nobel Peace Prize as an armour against criticism. [...]
7818 158 39_Fwd: Nov 22 Reuters news- letter to CNN0_14_BUBELE@aol.com29_Wed, 22 Nov 2000 16:53:06 EST143_US-ASCII A protest to CNN, and an accurate Reuters descriptive articl on this terrible incident at Hadera.....................David Morgenstern
7977 30 20_Info on Aharon Ze'ev11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@erols.com31_Wed, 22 Nov 2000 17:38:36 -0500302_us-ascii Dear Chevre-<br><br>At my son's bar mitzvah, we are reading a poem by Aharon Ze'ev, who was evidently the Habonim shaliach to Chicago in 1939. I believe that the 1939 shlichim were the first group sent to the US--1)is that correct? 2) can anyone tell me ANYTHING else about Aharon Ze'ev? [...]
8008 15 38_Re: Nov 22 Reuters news- letter to CNN0_22_Richardrdsmith@aol.com29_Wed, 22 Nov 2000 20:30:33 EST354_US-ASCII I have a friend in Israel who says she likes to watch CNN, especially Bernard Shaw, because they are much less biased than Israeli reporters.<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
8024 101 12_Yankee power11_Phil Safier17_psafier@elixa.com31_Wed, 22 Nov 2000 22:47:54 -0700
8126 42 7_Reuters12_STAN GOLDMAN17_stan@inter.net.il31_Thu, 23 Nov 2000 09:06:31 +0200129_windows-1255 It is true that Israeli reporters are biased in favor of Israel, But CNN is far from objective and often ANTI ISRAEL
8169 123 13_No more Moore13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@sasa.org.il31_Thu, 23 Nov 2000 18:03:26 +0200211_windows-1255 Fans of Michael Moore (and more rational people) might want to read this before posting more of his nonsense on the Habonet:<br><br><br><br>http://www.salon.com/june97/media/media970606.html<br><br>
8293 24 27_WScript.KakWorm virus alert11_Noam Stopak26_n.stopak@scienceserver.com31_Thu, 23 Nov 2000 11:14:41 -0500461_us-ascii Hi,<br><br>Norton AntiVirus detected the WScript.KakWorm virus in the message that Jon Baum just sent entitled "No More Moore". I suggest not opening it.<br><br>Jon - could you send another copy without the virus?<br><br>Thanks,<br><br>Noam<br><br><br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
8318 70 17_A Call for Papers16_Elihu D. Davison21_EliD@worldnet.att.net31_Thu, 23 Nov 2000 11:52:31 -0500707_us-ascii The following notice came to me from cyberspace. I post it for those who might be interested. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Call for Papers Jusur The UCLA Journal of Middle Eastern Studies is soliciting manuscripts for its Volume 16 (2000) issue.<br><br>Jusur is a multidisciplinary journal devoted to studying all aspects of the Middle East from prehistory until the present day. Previous issues have included articles from disciplines such as history, anthropology, sociology, art history, political science, and comparative literature. In addition, every issue includes reviews of important films and scholarly books. [...]
8389 40 17_Re: No more Moore0_18_Rachelbern@aol.com29_Thu, 23 Nov 2000 13:21:09 EST555_US-ASCII WHAT? A celebrity who is not such a mensch in his private life and doesn't walk or talk the identical walk and talk of his public persona? I'm shocked! SHOCKED!<br><br>Anyone who saw "Roger and Me" and didn't catch on within the first 5 minutes to the fact that Moore is an egotistical loudmouth who often uses unwarranted nastiness to provoke the reaction he wants to capture on film probably also thinks that Dean Martin was only a lush cause it went over well with audiences. I think Mr. Rogers is just about the only one who is the same [...]
8430 38 34_Still Sombre After All These Years12_Amnon Hadary22_amriv@netvision.net.il31_Thu, 23 Nov 2000 20:36:16 +0200681_us-ascii Haverim\ot After yesterday's events and after yesterday's posting here's a shorter one and less sombre - but still not a "yom kef."<br><br>Natan Zach was born in Berlin in 1930, & immigrated to Haifa as a child. He is a Professor of Literature at Haifa University, & considered the most articulate voice amongst Hebrew modernist poets, displacing the classic nationalistic ideological issue oriented forms by a poetic & ironic voice of personal experience. He has published many collections of poetry, in Hebrew & in translation, & won numerous awards among them the Israel Prize in 1995. ############################################################ To Yitzhak Rabin [...]
8469 28 17_Re: No more Moore0_15_DebALev@aol.com29_Thu, 23 Nov 2000 13:42:08 EST623_US-ASCII In a message dated 11/23/00 8:04:46 AM Pacific Standard Time, jonbaum@sasa.org.il writes:<br><br>> http://www.salon.com/june97/media/media970606.html<br><br><br><br>While a lot of this article was "below the belt" (references to his weight and such), as someone who had dinner with him and heard about the place in NY and how hard it is for him to spend so much time traveling on airplanes, Mother Teresa "jokes" that weren't funny at all (and I am no fan of Mother Teresa; she used to call up my late father-in-law and scream at him when he was working with refugees in East Pakistan - now Bangladesh, among [...]
8498 351 32_Fwd: [Fwd:Third world election?]0_12_SHX2@aol.com29_Thu, 23 Nov 2000 15:28:29 EST17_US-ASCII <br><br>
8850 52 17_Re: No more Moore0_17_Smfgrappa@aol.com29_Thu, 23 Nov 2000 17:03:38 EST526_US-ASCII Well, I did not see Moore's movies, I just read his e mails and he is indeed a jerk. But lets talk for a second about real people. Let's talk about those among us like Phil and Ezra who seem to fall Moore's psychology hook line and sinker even though they may not know who Moore is. Oh that is not fair to Ezra. He stil really has not fallen into cynicism. But what about Phil? As I read his last posting I began to understand what is bugging him. His bit about billions for "Yeshiva Bochers", well that bothers [...]
8903 15 10_paragraphs0_22_Richardrdsmith@aol.com29_Thu, 23 Nov 2000 20:50:02 EST308_US-ASCII Perhaps this is just a pet peeve but could Smfgrappa@aol.com please learn to use paragraphs!!!!<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
8919 21 31_Re: [Fwd:Third world election?]0_18_Rachelbern@aol.com29_Thu, 23 Nov 2000 23:27:18 EST422_US-ASCII Always fascinating, the huge game of "Telephone" that is the Internet. When I got this piece -- the only interesting reading out of many, many forwards I've gotten about the elections -- it did not have the first paragraph, and it was attributed at the end to <<Kathy Cerra>>. I'd be curious to hear if anyone received a version that has more info about who might have written it or where it first appeared. [...]
8941 168 17_Re: No more Moore11_Phil Safier17_psafier@elixa.com31_Fri, 24 Nov 2000 01:00:41 -0700
9110 104 19_senseless in israel13_julia chaitin20_jchaitin@urim.org.il31_Fri, 24 Nov 2000 12:27:52 -0100652_windows-1255 Dear friends,<br><br>I am enclosing here an article by Thomas Friedman that appeared in the NY Times today. Perhaps this article will ring familiar to you, as it did to me.<br><br>Julia<br><br><br><br>Senseless in Israel By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN<br><br>---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Some 20 years ago a new U.S. Middle East special envoy was making his first tour of the West Bank. At the end of the day, according to legend, he gathered with a few reporters at the King David Hotel bar for a drink. As the mood loosened, the reporters pressed him for his impression of the West Bank, [...]
9215 39 22_Worms and other beasts13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@sasa.org.il31_Fri, 24 Nov 2000 20:52:05 +020059_windows-1255 Sorry about that. Should be fixed now, I hope.
9255 23 25_Re: Nobel Prize recission0_17_Smfgrappa@aol.com29_Fri, 24 Nov 2000 20:36:35 EST532_US-ASCII In a message dated 11/21/00 11:55:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, EliD@worldnet.att.net writes:<br><br><< EliD@worldnet.att.net >><br><br>Thanks. I am truely troubled by the last posting made by Phil stating the my friends are writing to him suggesting that I am mentally undstable. It is bad enough that he makes such public statements but to attribute them to un named friends on Habonet is particularlly eggregious. I do no understand what has become of our movement culture when such a stunt is considered fair game. [...]
9279 34 16_personal attacks11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@erols.com31_Sat, 25 Nov 2000 08:24:22 -0500554_us-ascii Phil- Having read you missives for the last eighteen months, I know that ad hominum arguments are your style. It is not a style I admire but still there are ad hominum arguments and ad hominum arguments.<br><br>You can attack my politics all you like and call me a neo-Republican or a neo-fascist or anti-union or anti-environment or a sell-out or a capitalist or politically naive or any other kind of any damn political drecky label you can think up. We have come to expect it of you. You may think it is clever to call names. I think it [...]
9314 16 23_Re: senseless in israel0_17_Smfgrappa@aol.com29_Sat, 25 Nov 2000 12:04:17 EST405_US-ASCII If you have not read every word of Tom Friedman's posting you are missing something. Thank you to Julia for posting it and stimulating us to think a little instead of calling each other names.<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
9331 53 17_That Time of Year0_14_KBob24@aol.com29_Sat, 25 Nov 2000 17:17:06 EST509_ISO-8859-1 Folks:<br><br>Amid the discussions about the situation in Israel, Gore-Nader and other topics, There has recently been a nice exchange on Habonet about the special "something" that the Habonim experience gave to us and gives to our children who are in the movement today.<br><br>It is that time of year when we ask all of you to step forward and make a generous gift to the Habonim Dror Foundation so kids can continue to experience the Habonim educational, ideological and social experience. [...]
9385 21 23_Re: senseless in israel0_14_KBob24@aol.com29_Sat, 25 Nov 2000 17:46:25 EST336_ISO-8859-1 I second Sam's sentiment. I often read Tom Friedman's columns and think "he just articulated exactly what I am thinking."<br><br>In the interests of full disclosure, I should mention that I worked on our high school newspaper in Minneapolis with Tom....he evidently took this journalism thing more seriously than I did. [...]
9407 24 16_personal attacks12_Amnon Hadary22_amriv@netvision.net.il31_Sun, 26 Nov 2000 09:06:12 +0200446_us-ascii Phil, I wholeheartedly agree with Judy Gelman's appeal: "You owe him and all of us an apology--if you are capable of it" both insofar as your general style is concerned and specifically your vituperative remarks about Sam. * Libbi nechmatz bi * I, too, was saddened and exasperated by them. If you find that you can't bring yourself to do it, I for one, will delete all of your future postings. Haval, you used to have a fine mind. [...]
9432 41 61_Implicit Rules of Engagement (Was: RE: Nobel Prize recission)12_Brian Cooper21_BCooper@descartes.com31_Sun, 26 Nov 2000 16:48:18 -0500349_iso-8859-1 Sam said: > ...I do not understand what has > become of our movement culture when such a stunt is > considered fair game.<br><br>It is most certainly NOT considered fair game. Though the habonet community, for the most part, polices itself, this type of posting crosses all acceptable boundaries and will not be allowed to continue. [...]
9474 156 50_Something else to think about...a poem from Sue...0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Sun, 26 Nov 2000 17:17:15 EST393_US-ASCII "Proxies"<br><br>Friday evening - driving home from work On my way to the bank I see them - Father and son- Hatted, holding hands and saying their good-byes to friends... Walking away from the crowd which had just finished Friday night prayers... Now on their way to homes with the Shabbat smells - Of Chicken soup, of candles lit to show the light Of the oncoming day of Peace. [...]
9631 31 19_Web site update ...12_Jennifer Kay19_kay@elvis.rowan.edu31_Sun, 26 Nov 2000 23:40:53 -0500470_us-ascii I've updated the website with all of the songs/info/etc. that I've received recently (and not so recently!)<br><br>In particular, some of the machanot now have expanded shironim, and some pictures from the recent moshava reunion are available on the site at: http://www.habonimdrorfoundation.org/hdf/mosh_reunion/<br><br>I'm still looking for someone (with more time than I have) to volunteer to help out with the site. If you're interested, send me mail! [...]
9663 138 33_Looking for gelt for a good cause13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@sasa.org.il31_Mon, 27 Nov 2000 19:39:27 +0200596_windows-1255 Hello all. I'd like to know if anyone has information about where one could apply for grants for Holocaust educational projects. A friend of mine here on the kibbutz, Dr. Tomi Spenser, has been developing a project in cooperation with the Faculty of Medicine, Technion and the Lochamei Hagetaot Museum to train medical students in health aspects of the Holocaust, encompasing both treatment of survivors and a history of medicine. Isa anyone aware of a foundation that is looking to support such a project? You can reply to me directly. Thanks very much. Jon Baum jonbaum@sasa.org.il
9802 15 27_Jon Baum sent another virus14_Holtzer Family20_carmdave@urim.org.il31_Mon, 27 Nov 2000 20:23:26 +0200356_iso-8859-1 Just collected mail and again got a virus from Jon Baum! Jon : PLEASE clean your computer before you send any more mail to Habonet or anyone!<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
9818 39 37_RE: Looking for gelt for a good cause0_21_BCooper@descartes.com31_Mon, 27 Nov 2000 15:56:30 -0500686_windows-1255 Jon,<br><br>One way to avoid sending the virus is to send text-only email (which I have asked everyone to do many times before!)<br><br>I.e., Turn off your HTML-mail.<br><br>regards, brian<br><br><br><br>-----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Baum [mailto:jonbaum@sasa.org.il] Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 12:39 PM To: Habonet Subject: Looking for gelt for a good cause<br><br><br><br>Hello all. I'd like to know if anyone has information about where one could apply for grants for Holocaust educational projects. A friend of mine here on the kibbutz, Dr. Tomi Spenser, has been developing a project in cooperation with the Faculty of Medicine, Technion and the [...]
9858 179 67_Fun With The Habonim Dror People Finder / Finding the 21st Workshop8_kanter1816_kanter18@msn.com31_Mon, 27 Nov 2000 22:53:38 -0600580_iso-8859-1 Now that the winter winds have begun to blow in the Midwest I find myself with more quality time available to spend with online and I have been having a blast these past few weeks playing around with the People Finder, searching through "I Can Help" for old chevre, seeing names of people I hadn't thought about in 30 years. Because I have alot of connections with ex-chevre I've "outed" dozens of people whose emails the Foundation was looking for. This is really alot of fun, I see that the Foundation is looking for Emails of some regular Habonet contributors, [...]
10038 17 23_Re: Web site update ...0_17_JackNusan@aol.com29_Tue, 28 Nov 2000 01:20:43 EST301_US-ASCII I'm not thast adept with websites, computers but I did receive several shironim from Los ASngeles Gilboa Camp, and I want to reprint one or two of them. Therre are so many songs. It would be nice to see all of them in print. But how can I help? My best--Dr. Jack Porter, UMass at Lowell [...]
10056 72 12_Three Wagons12_Amnon Hadary22_amriv@netvision.net.il31_Tue, 28 Nov 2000 22:47:58 +0200609_iso-8859-1 Haverim/ot Confronted with a dearth of soldiers in the early days of Israeli independence, Ben Gurion decided to conscript women and yeshiva students. To forestall an outcry by the ultra-Orthodox, he first spoke to the Hazon Ish, Rabbi Karelitz, a renowned halakhic authority. After some horse trading they agreed on a formula. Secular girls would serve in the IDF, but yeshiva boys would stay out, doing their service to the Torah and to God in yeshivot. In the course of their conversation, Karelitz told Ben Gurion that this was only proper and, to support his claim, he quoted an aphorism [...]
10129 180 55_Fw: Palestinian Survey: Attitudes towards Peace Process7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il31_Tue, 28 Nov 2000 09:41:59 +0200671_iso-8859-1 Thought chaverim might find this survey enlightening -- the results do not surprise me, but certainly do sadden me. pearl ----- Original Message ----- From: Rabbi Kalman Packouz <packouz@aish.com> To: Rabbi Packouz's ShabbatShalom List <skolnik@netvision.net.il> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 2:35 AM Subject: Palestinian Survey: Attitudes towards Peace Process<br><br><br><br>> > Sometimes people say it's just the leaders and that the Palestinian man in > the street really doesn't support the fight against Israel and the Jews. > Here is a recent Palestinian survey that clearly shows the PA tactics being > employed have won the full support of it [...]
10310 52 10_No Subject0_15_NEVETS2@aol.com29_Tue, 28 Nov 2000 22:53:58 EST818_US-ASCII Chevre, Shalom<br><br>Does anyone in the Movement subscribe to the Middle East Political Forum list? (See below) If you do, please Email me privately off list.<br><br>Todah.<br><br>Chaver Steve nevets2@aol.com<br><br>==========================================<br><br><br><br>---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RAHEL7@aol.com Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 21:45:42 EST Subject: (MEPF) The Middle East Political Forum To: ariehz@bgumail.bgu.ac.il<br><br><br><br>Dear Colleagues,<br><br>You are cordially invited to join the Middle East Political Forum's email list. The Middle East Political Forum, in its third year is an organization with a substantial membership, which reaches out to Jews and others who express a deep-rooted love for Israel and her people. Our goal [...]
10363 98 44_Habonim Dror Alumni Make Aliyah to Jerusalem11_Jared Matas22_jaredmatas@hotmail.com31_Wed, 29 Nov 2000 09:05:22 -0800357_- Shalom Chevrei,<br><br>I'm writing to give you an update on the Habonim Dror Garin about to make aliya. We have booked flights and will be landing at Ben-Gurion on December 31st. The 5 North Americans will be joining 6 Habonim Dror olim from other countries to live communally in appartments in Katamon. We are calling our community 'Kvutsat Yovel.' [...]
10462 308 18_november 27th 200011_Jamie Levin22_mazkir@habonimdror.org31_Wed, 29 Nov 2000 15:57:53 -0500666_iso-8859-1 <br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>Press Release from Habonim Dror North America<br><br>November 27, 2000<br><br><br><br>In this time of crisis it is imperative for the chaverim of Habonim Dror North America to remember where they stand. We strive for, “ . . .a progressive, egalitarian, cooperative society [in Israel] . . .” In the past 52 years a great deal of progress has been made towards these goals. We have always been at the vanguard demanding equality and equity for all of Israel’s citizens. However, the frustration expressed by Israeli Arabs and the subsequent release of four million shekels in government funding to minority communities [...]
10771 29 41_Re: Holocaust Research and my latest book0_17_JackNusan@aol.com29_Wed, 29 Nov 2000 16:12:30 EST613_US-ASCII Dear Jon Baum: Contact me offline. There is a group called AMCHA in Israel and America and Europe that is helping survivors with social and psychological help. I have other resources since this is my field--Holocaust ands genocide studies. Incidentally, all my books can be gotten from The Spencer Press thru RR Bowker's "Books in Print or through a used bookseller in western Massachusetts, near Amherst---Dan Wyman (413) 846-6357. They're all listed on the internet--just look up my name "Jack Nusan Porter" or "Jack N. Porter" in "Books in Print". Any library or bookstore can get a list for you [...]
10801 17 48_Re: Habonim Dror Alumni Make Aliyah to Jerusalem16_Marc Hershkowitz21_marchersh@hotmail.com31_Thu, 30 Nov 2000 03:34:04 -0000
10819 21 17_The 21st Workshop9_Norm Kane19_normk@earthlink.net31_Wed, 29 Nov 2000 22:29:45 -0800398_us-ascii To Danny Kanter:<br><br>Bennet Weintraub was not a member of the 20th Workshop either at Yotvata or Urim. Be careful who you call a loser.<br><br>Norm Kane 20th Workshop Kibbutz Yotvata<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
10841 375 46_Fw: Arutz-7 News: Wednesday, November 29, 20007_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il31_Wed, 29 Nov 2000 23:28:49 +0200402_iso-8859-1 chaverim, I thought the explanation below of our election system and why it fails us to be very enlightening. I hope you don't mind my sharing it with you. pearl<br><br>----- Original Message ----- From: Arutz-7 Editor <neteditor@IsraelNationalNews.com> To: <arutz-7@IsraelNationalNews.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 7:29 PM Subject: Arutz-7 News: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 [...]
11217 21 31_Washington Jewish Film Festival11_Roslyn Lang26_langr@gunet.georgetown.edu31_Thu, 30 Nov 2000 09:31:07 -0500397_US-ASCII For any of you living in or near Washington, DC, the DCJCC's Washington Film Festival starts tonight and goes through December 10, and sounds terrific this year. There are films of Jewish interest from all over the world, including a 1913 film, thought to be lost for 80 years, called "The Life of the Jews in Palestine." You can check out the whole schedule at http://www.wjff.org. [...]
11239 23 31_The Navidad virus strikes again0_15_NEVETS2@aol.com29_Thu, 30 Nov 2000 16:38:11 EST442_US-ASCII Chevre<br><br>I received that evil Navidad.exe virus attachment in an Email today from an unknown source<br><br>noam@btinternet.com<br><br>Keep on the lookout. It destroyed Rich and Marie's computer last week.<br><br>Chaver Steve<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
11263 78 33_progressive, egalitarian society?7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il31_Thu, 30 Nov 2000 09:35:28 +0200539_windows-1255 i read the Habonim press release about israel making great strides in the last 52 years towards a just, progressive and egalitarian society..... It ain't so. The opposite is true: the par between the highest echelons of society and the lowest has grown to become one of the greatest in the world. There is almost no way to edge into "society" unless you have money, and lots of it. Then it does not matter if you are a crook: you are IN. There is no end to the examples one can show to prove this. The rest of the letter [...]
11342 31 35_Re: The Navidad virus strikes again11_Noam Stopak26_n.stopak@scienceserver.com31_Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:49:40 -0500527_us-ascii <br><br><br><br>NEVETS2@aol.com wrote:<br><br>> Chevre > > I received that evil Navidad.exe virus attachment in an Email today from an > unknown source > > noam@btinternet.com > > Keep on the lookout. It destroyed Rich and Marie's computer last week. > > Chaver Steve ><br><br>Just for the record, that's not me...<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
11374 81 51_FWD: FW: [Fwd: House-help needed in Michigan (fwd)]11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@mjds.org31_Thu, 30 Nov 2000 21:34:48 -0600487_us-ascii >From my cousin in Israel. Perhaps you can help. Rozzie<br><br>-----Original Message----- From: Lerner [mailto:cil_jsl@netvision.net.il] Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 1:07 PM To: Rozzie Barland Subject: [Fwd: House-help needed in Michigan (fwd)]<br><br><br><br><br><br>-------- Original Message -------- Subject: House-help needed in Michigan (fwd) Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 09:50:50 +0200 (GMT+0200) From: Carol Fuchs <carolm@cc.huji.ac.il> To: Undisclosed recipients: ; [...]
11456 41 37_Re: progressive, egalitarian society?14_Ethan Schwartz24_schwar1@netvision.net.il30_Fri, 1 Dec 2000 06:21:22 +020088_windows-1255 I always enjoy Pearl's contributions this time I even agrre with her. Ethan