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2 55 32_20th Workshop at Kibbutz Yotvata11_Norman Kane19_normk@earthlink.net31_Mon, 31 Jan 2000 22:56:37 -0800688_us-ascii Since no one else volunteered I thought I would take a stab at compiling a current list. The following is a list of workshoppers and their home towns circa 1971.<br><br>Lora Badler Shaker Heights Wendy Bensussen Seattle Larry Bergman Philadelphia Marcie Brown Oak Park Sheila Derrick Montreal Shimon Gewing San Francisco Daryl Gildenblatt Cincinnati Neal Gillett Cincinnati Judy Grad Cincinnati Mitch Grunes Madison Pnina Horn Chicago Yael Johnson San Francisco Aaron Kaiser Chicago Phil Keller Silver Spring Ann Kort Wheaton Polly Levine Baltimore Julie Mark Detroit Bobby Olshan Skokie Phillip Rosenfeld Arlington Mark Rubin Chicago Bruce Salinger Southfield Mala Schmidt [...]
58 30 32_Re: 12th Workshoppers still AWOL0_13_SC523@aol.com28_Tue, 1 Feb 2000 02:06:40 EST412_us-ascii Phil,<br><br>I'm writing this ON-LIST because I needed to express an emotional reaction to some of the nastiness Habomembers like you, Noam, and others have put out there lately.<br><br>I almost didn't respond because I don't respond, in principle, to threats of violence, even if you thought you were kidding by using expressions like "hurt you." But I do want to help Ezra and the Foundation so: [...]
89 37 41_ADMIN: No personal info on habonet please0_21_BCooper@descartes.com30_Tue, 1 Feb 2000 08:57:51 -0500422_iso-8859-1 Hi All,<br><br>I have been avoiding raising this again because of all the name-gathering and reunion fervor of late. However, I want to remind you that Habonet archives are freely available on the Internet. Also personal data is just that -- personal. No matter how good the intentions, PLEASE do not post other people's phone numbers, addresses (email or snail), on Habonet. In fact, don't post your own. [...]
127 21 20_RE: More information0_21_BCooper@descartes.com30_Tue, 1 Feb 2000 08:57:52 -0500423_iso-8859-1 Su,<br><br>I find it's best not to make assumptions about what people lived day in and day out.<br><br><br><br>> Yuval- > I wonder how smug you would be if you lived this day in and > day out, had<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Internet Consortium http://shamash.org ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
149 33 13_Re: nastiness11_Noam Stopak26_n.stopak@scienceserver.com31_Tue, 01 Feb 2000 09:36:54 -0500602_us-ascii <br><br><br><br>SC523@aol.com wrote:<br><br>> Phil, > > I'm writing this ON-LIST because I needed to express an emotional reaction to > some of the nastiness Habomembers like you, Noam, and others have put out > there lately.<br><br>Aliya,<br><br>I have written to habonet sparingly this year, and have mostly been asking questions in hopes of eliciting insights from people in Israel on recent developments, so I'm somewhat taken aback by this public attack. I'll be happy to discuss this with you offline, as I don't understand what you are referring to, but I want to object publicly. [...]
183 20 13_Re: nastiness0_18_Rachelbern@aol.com28_Tue, 1 Feb 2000 12:15:37 EST462_us-ascii Noam,<br><br>In his assessment of you, Dov may have *thought* he was making a sarcastic jab -- but those of us who know you would never hesitate to say that you are "a wonderful, intelligent, and stimulating person" indeed.<br><br>Rachel<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Internet Consortium http://shamash.org ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
204 71 17_SNOW IN JERUSALEM0_15_NEVETS2@aol.com28_Tue, 1 Feb 2000 14:10:41 EST440_US-ASCII Can't get enough of those eye witness accounts of the snow in Israel.<br><br>Hope you all are also enjoying the feeds.<br><br>Chaver Steve -------------------------------------------------------<br><br>From: Joel Katz [mailto:joelkatz@netvision.net.il] Sent: Monday, January 31, 2000, 8:27 PM To: Joel Katz Subject: SNOW IN JERUSALEM !!<br><br><br><br>(Sorry you got this a bit after the fact) SHALOM from a WHITE JERUSALEM!! [...]
276 34 20_Re: More information12_Dov Liberman16_DLiberman@UH.EDU37_Tue, 01 Feb 2000 16:24:17 -0600 (CST)643_us-ascii All I did was quote what Palestinian and Egyptian official sources were saying. I don't see how that makes me or anyone else a fascist.<br><br><br><br>>Dov Liberman wrote, after trying to scare us with commonplace antisemitic >shibboleths: > >>Statements such as these make some people very nervous about the how the >>"peace" process is going. > > >Especially paranoid and fascistically inclined (with some Orthodox 'xozer >bitshuvah' influence on top) right-wing Jews. It is the old fascistic scare >tactics again: spread fear and change the political climate to one of fear >that can be then controlled by ideologies of power [...]
311 21 32_Re: 12th Workshoppers still AWOL0_14_cbma@erols.com31_Tue, 01 Feb 2000 21:16:06 -0500467_us-ascii Aliya -<br><br>I must respond because I almost always find Phil clever and funny (did anyone look closely at his original workshop list?) and I think that Noam is a genuine, good soul. Different strokes for different folks......<br><br>Shelly<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Internet Consortium http://shamash.org ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
333 47 6_Hatred11_Mark Hammel18_mhammel@ulster.net31_Tue, 01 Feb 2000 22:00:52 -0500455_us-ascii What is new about hating your oppressor and finding the source of his odiousness in his national character? Isn't that what Goldagen is about in his spurious and bigoted bit of scholarship?<br><br>In the course of reading both Benny Morris's new book, Righteous Victims, and Avi Shalim's The Iron Wall, I came across this stunning bit of clarity uttered by Moshe Dayan almost two generations ago over the grave of Ro'i Rothberg of Nahal Oz: [...]
381 21 10_Re: Hatred13_Yuval Warshai16_warshais@tir.com30_Tue, 1 Feb 2000 22:38:52 -0800460_- > That was then, this is now. How much more settlement? How many more > eulogies? Who is strong enough to end the cycle of hatred? > Mark<br><br>I believe Barak is. Let's just hope the time for it is close. ___ |Y| ^^^<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Internet Consortium http://shamash.org ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
403 28 43_looking for info on israeli political group0_21_BCooper@descartes.com30_Tue, 1 Feb 2000 23:22:48 -0500318_iso-8859-1 Has anyone ever heard of a group in Israel called "The Children of Abraham?" No jokes, please -- I know that describes all Israelis! Not to mention, Arabs, too. In fact, I heard they may be a group devoted to Israeli-Arab rapprochement. I would like more info though, from anyone who knows about them. [...]
432 16 47_Re: looking for info on israeli political group0_22_Richardrdsmith@aol.com28_Wed, 2 Feb 2000 15:41:12 EST299_US-ASCII Children of Abraham is also the name of a song by Arlo Guthrie.<br><br>RDS<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Internet Consortium http://shamash.org ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
449 31 13_Re: nastiness12_Dov Liberman16_DLiberman@UH.EDU37_Wed, 02 Feb 2000 16:06:15 -0600 (CST)411_us-ascii Dear Rachel,<br><br>Please be assured that I most emphatically was NOT making a sarcastic jab at Noam. I meant every word I said.<br><br>Dov<br><br><br><br>>Noam, > >In his assessment of you, Dov may have *thought* he was making a sarcastic >jab -- but those of us who know you would never hesitate to say that you are >"a wonderful, intelligent, and stimulating person" indeed. > >Rachel > > > > [...]
481 64 10_Re: Hatred12_Dov Liberman16_DLiberman@UH.EDU37_Wed, 02 Feb 2000 16:12:51 -0600 (CST)552_us-ascii Mark,<br><br>Whether or not the Arabs are justified in hating us is a different question from what Israel should do given the fact that they do. Even as Israel gives back land, the Arabs continue to voice their hatred. If the hatred will stop after the peace process is completed, then israel is doing a wise thing. But if the hatred will continue and the land being given back will be used as a base to direct efforts to attack (with the ultimate goal of destroying) Israel, then it would seem that Israel is not doing a wise thing. The [...]
546 126 11_Monthly FAQ12_Jennifer Kay19_kay@elvis.rowan.edu31_Thu, 03 Feb 2000 02:32:02 -0500421_- Actually-from:BCooper@descartes.com<br><br>Hi Chevre,<br><br>Here is a reminder of the "essential" commands that you can use to configure your subscription to Habonet. I will post this monthly from now on. Please note -- The address for commands is: listproc@shamash.org whereas the address for posts to the list is: habonet@shamash.org If you need any help with any of it, send me an email: BCooper@descartes.com [...]
673 27 33_New Issue of Chadashot on the way12_trilby smith17_trilbys@erols.com31_Thu, 03 Feb 2000 20:03:07 -0500580_us-ascii For those of you who missed my last message, we are now preparing the Pesach issue of Chadashot, the newsletter of the Habonim Dror Foundation. Last week I asked for people to send me information about any alumni gatherings that are taking place after April, so that we can include the information. I received information about the Mosh reunion, and the NY Kumzitz, but I know that Tavor is having a reunion - can someone send me information about that? Also, anyone who wants to send me information about alumni gatherings in the past few months, we would be happy [...]
701 32 37_Re: New Issue of Chadashot on the way12_Alan Barland19_abarland@abdata.com31_Thu, 03 Feb 2000 21:14:39 -0600569_us-ascii Tavor is having a reunion August 11-13, 2000<br><br>trilby smith wrote:<br><br>> For those of you who missed my last message, we are now preparing the > Pesach issue of Chadashot, the newsletter of the Habonim Dror > Foundation. Last week I asked for people to send me information about > any alumni gatherings that are taking place after April, so that we can > include the information. I received information about the Mosh reunion, > and the NY Kumzitz, but I know that Tavor is having a reunion - can > someone send me information about that? > Also, [...]
734 29 35_Camp Galil seeks Camp Administrator0_15_NEVETS2@aol.com28_Thu, 3 Feb 2000 22:50:07 EST546_US-ASCII Chevre, Shalom!<br><br>Please think of someone you know who might be a good shidduch for this job.<br><br><br><br>Camp Administrator -- Full-time, year-round position to handle all business aspects of Habonim Dror Camp Galil. Person who could hit the ground running with an understanding of the Movement and the relationship between a Camp Committee and a Mazkirut would be helpful. Excellent organizing and business skills a must. Interested parties should Email Chaver Steve Weinberg, nevets2@aol.com or call him at 732/390-4745. [...]
764 28 26_RE: have a sense of humor!12_Fine, Sharon14_FineS@MLHS.ORG30_Thu, 3 Feb 2000 23:07:05 -0500539_- <br><br>Shelly wrote: > Aliya - > > I must respond because I almost always find Phil clever and funny > I agree wholeheartedly - I might even eliminate the 'almost' part. While I realize it is often difficult to tell who has their tongue in their cheek (or someone else's cheek, which is usually more fun), it's pretty obvious other times. Even if you don't appreciate someone else's sense of humor, you could try to lighten up a bit and let the rest of us enjoy. And Aliya isn't the only one who could use a few deep breaths every [...]
793 19 21_25 workshoppers unite0_22_Richardrdsmith@aol.com28_Fri, 4 Feb 2000 01:23:07 EST347_US-ASCII Howjado?<br><br>hey, are there any 25th workshoppers out there? except for fearless leader, of course<br><br>Richard Smith<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Internet Consortium http://shamash.org ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
813 24 47_Re: looking for info on israeli political group7_Greener25_ddwgreen@netvision.net.il31_Fri, 04 Feb 2000 08:46:08 +0200370_us-ascii Brian,<br><br>There is an organization called The Abraham Fund, which works for Jewish-Arab rapprochment. I'm sure it has a Web site. It's based in New York and Jerusalem, and funds activities and other organizations that promote its aims.<br><br>If you can't find it, I can get more information when I go to work on Sunday (yeh, that's Israel for you...) [...]
838 36 47_Re: looking for info on israeli political group18_Abba & Dvora Caspi16_adcaspi@home.com30_Fri, 4 Feb 2000 07:31:23 -0500567_iso-8859-1 "The Abraham Fund is a not-for-profit fundraising and educational organization dedicated to enhancing coexistence between Israel's Jewish and Arab citizens. We support grassroots coexistence projects that bring Jews and Arabs together to learn about one another and break down destructive stereotypes. In the last six years alone, The Abraham Fund has granted more than $6 million to 400 different projects across Israel in education, social services, economic development, and the arts, thus touching the lives of hundreds of thousands of Israelis." [...]
875 17 47_RE: looking for info on israeli political group0_21_BCooper@descartes.com30_Fri, 4 Feb 2000 08:15:29 -0500388_iso-8859-1 Thanks to everyone who responded, on or off list. This was very helpful! And they look like a very interesting and worthwhile organization.<br><br>Regards, brian<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Internet Consortium http://shamash.org ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
893 17 25_Re: 25 workshoppers unite0_15_Hamgal5@aol.com28_Fri, 4 Feb 2000 09:06:45 EST338_US-ASCII hey richard its jody i am in chicago. so is lasher. her email is cherilash@aol.com how are you where are you jody<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Internet Consortium http://shamash.org ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
911 33 25_Re: 25 workshoppers unite13_Kathee Lavine26_holycowfoods@earthlink.net31_Fri, 04 Feb 2000 11:19:26 -0800324_us-ascii Hey Richard, It's Kathee out in Oregon..how are Ya? I've stepped up to collect the names and addresses of the Maayan Baruch chevreh from our year, so if there's anyone out there, or if someone knows of any of the folks that were at Maayan Baruch in 1975, please email me off of habonet....lots of love, kathee [...]
945 22 13_25th workshop20_Sima Goldfarb-Rivlin19_rivlin@canaan.co.il30_Sat, 5 Feb 2000 08:27:34 +0200445_us-ascii Hi Richard, Jody, Kathee and Cooper Sima here - Living in Katzrin - rivlin@canaan.co.il simagr@telhai.ac.il<br><br>>hey, are there any 25th workshoppers out there? >except for fearless leader, of course > > Richard Smith<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Internet Consortium http://shamash.org ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
968 96 24_US Policy re: Jerusalem?0_14_BUBELE@aol.com28_Sat, 5 Feb 2000 02:04:27 EST601_US-ASCII Chevre, A friend sent me the following email note. I remember that the US declined to move its embassy to Jerusalem when the seat of government was moved there. There are several concerns, if this policy is, in fact, true. Is the US brokering a peace that will be coerced into either partitioning Jerusalem, forcing shared control by internationalizing (or trying to) our beloved city?? And what does happen to the people who have been born there since Israel reunited the city -certainly their citizenship must be Israeli? I am aware there is a great deal of posturing around Jerusalem [...]
1065 39 17_Re: 25th workshop13_Yuval Warshai16_warshais@tir.com30_Sun, 6 Feb 2000 15:17:00 -0800578_- Sima Goldfarb-Rivlin wrote:<br><br>> Sima here - > Living in Katzrin<br><br>Dear Sima,<br><br>Could you please give us your position, living where you happen to live, from up there, on an eventual peace treaty with Syria and an eventual return of the area where you now have your home to Syria. I am not asking for a political or ideological treatise on the subject, just your gut feeling and view from there on current developments, such as a possible referendum, for example. A while ago another member of this list from Kibbutz Mevo Hamah offered her view (and what a [...]
1105 33 47_RE: looking for info on israeli political group20_Freidenreich, Fradle16_fradle@bjeny.org30_Mon, 7 Feb 2000 12:30:05 -0500311_windows-1252 dear Brian, How can I get back on the Habonet "summary list"? I don't know what you call it exactly, but when I was in Israel I was subscribing to Habonet and received a summary of all the email for that posting so I could review what looked like junk without opening each one. Thanks. Fradle [...]
1139 16 11_Tit for Tat14_Ethan Schwartz18_schwar@isdn.net.il31_Mon, 07 Feb 2000 23:39:04 +0200423_windows-1252 Hizbzlah said they will retaliate for our attacks. We say we will retaliate for their attacks. People, are being killed and driven away from their homes on both sides of the border. Enough said?<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Internet Consortium http://shamash.org ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
1156 81 65_For those lacking a sense of humor, please delete without reading12_Fine, Sharon14_FineS@MLHS.ORG30_Mon, 7 Feb 2000 21:20:43 -0500530_- This was forwarded to me - thought some of you might enjoy. -Sharon<br><br>> >LAST YEAR, in Toronto, we had a lot of snow. I spent many hours > >shoveling snow. Shoveling snow is boring work, and after a while a mind > >tends to wander. So I resolved that this year I would be prepared with > >lots to think about. I researched and sent letters to key Jewish > >figures, polling them for their keen insight on shoveling snow. Their > >responses; > > > >Ariel Sharon - "The important thing is to shovel the entire width and [...]
1238 27 11_Re: Kumsitz0_13_SC523@aol.com28_Tue, 8 Feb 2000 02:34:50 EST521_US-ASCII Trilby, and Kumsitz Devotees:<br><br>This is a good opportunity, while asking Trilby to put a notice about the 2nd Giant Kumsitz in New York in Chadashot, to remind all people who are willing to come in to New York by any mode of transportation, that the date is SAturday night, June 3rd. Many chevreh have asked for the evening to begin earlier with potluck dinner so we may work toward including that. Last year we had around 150 people; it was so successful, we anticipate a much larger crowd this year. [...]
1266 27 22_15th Workshop chaverim13_Rubin R. Salz21_curchacksalz@juno.com30_Tue, 8 Feb 2000 20:50:31 -0800641_- If there are any chevre of the 15th Workshop out there, please e-mail me your adresses and other pertinent other information such as current name if it has changed from workshop days. Info will be accepted in English, Hebrew or Swedish. I am compiling this information on behalf of the Habonim-Dror Central Office to help them with outreach. While we're at it why don't we have a reunion. Please let me know if you're interested in that. Linda Hirschhorn can lead the makhela. I am eagerly looking forward to hearing from you. Bobby Salz, aka Shvedi. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO [...]
1294 63 27_A message from Rachel Kerem0_17_EZREITER1@aol.com28_Tue, 8 Feb 2000 20:50:04 EST609_UTF-8 Dear Members of Habonet, Rachel Kerem has asked me to post the following message from the Kerem family. Please address any remarks or questions directly to Rachel who is now back in Cleveland. Her e mail is RKerem@aol.com. Thank you. Esther Reiter<br><br><br><br>We want to thank all the wonderful Habonim, ex-Gesher Hazivniks and others, who have written so warmly about our father, Moshe Kerem, following his sudden death December 7, 1999. We were trying to cope with the Shiva and all of that, and couldn’t get around to answering, but we were looking forward to reading the new messages that [...]
1358 45 26_Re: 15th Workshop chaverim7_Frankie19_ganenet@pacbell.net31_Tue, 08 Feb 2000 19:44:15 -0800538_us-ascii Dear Bobby a.k.a. Shvedi,<br><br>Frankie Frank Meppen here in L.A> California. My address is 1132 South Curson Avenue, Los Angeles Calif. 90019 My phone number is 1323 937-0226<br><br>I would love to attend a reunion of Workshoppers. Please let me know of any plans to hold one. hope you and your family are well. We had a phone conversation some years back and it was great to catch up on old times. Perhaps we could compile info received for your survey and create sort of Workshop '65-------Where are they now? bulletin. [...]
1404 41 26_Re: 15th Workshop chaverim16_Linda Hirschhorn18_vocolot@sirius.com31_Tue, 08 Feb 2000 21:20:27 -0700338_us-ascii Hi Bobby! Rubin??!!- a reunion would be great. Makhelah a terrific idea. Do you have all my pertinents?: Linda Hirschhorn 424 North St. Oakland Ca. 94609 (510) 654-0799 vocolot@sirius.com<br><br>would love to hear what's going on with you and your life. Where are you living these days?- linda<br><br>"Rubin R. Salz" wrote: [...]
1446 20 14_Kumsitz Update0_13_SC523@aol.com28_Wed, 9 Feb 2000 02:27:45 EST397_US-ASCII Habochevreh,<br><br>Just got the word that Sam Flesher will be in town playin' at the kumsitz on June 3rd! And the list is already growin'. . . . . . .<br><br><br><br>Aliya<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Internet Consortium http://shamash.org ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
1467 20 26_RE: 15th Workshop chaverim0_24_skolnik@netvision.net.il26_Fri, 4 Jan 80 23:04:21 PST467_US-ASCII Bobby Salz, Are you the Bobby salz that was a chanich of ours in Buffalo, brother to Allissa and Lucia z"l Lerner?? pearl pearlson-skolnik ------------------------------------- E-mail: skolnik@netvision.net.il Date: 04/01/80 Time: 11:04:21 PM<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Internet Consortium http://shamash.org ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
1488 136 17_Wanted: captains!4_Ezra26_foundation@habonimdror.org30_Wed, 9 Feb 2000 17:44:43 -0500415_iso-8859-1 Dearest Habonetters,<br><br>Big thanks to all the people devoting some time to help find the lost chrevre of their workshop kvutzot. The foundation database is expanding. The Habonim Dror Foundation has, by far, the largest database of Habonim alumni that may ever have existed. However, we are not even halfway to where we could and should be. Several of the Workshops are still without a captain. [...]
1625 29 23_Hello from Nancy Gordon12_Nancy Gordon13_nancy@dtg.net30_Wed, 9 Feb 2000 23:12:58 -0500504_iso-8859-1 Hello!<br><br>Anyone out there from the 1960-61 Workshop in Gesher Haziv or Bronx Habonim Bet Miriam (late 50's - early 60's), or Camp Red Hook? I've been in touch with Rozzie Boxer who just told me about Habonet.<br><br>I haven't made it back to Israel yet myself. I currently live in Wethersfield, CT (outside of Hartford), have 3 grown children and 3 grandchildren. I understand there will be a reunion in New York in June and I'm looking forward to seeing old chevra and catching up. [...]
1655 28 19_Archaeologist humor0_18_Rachelbern@aol.com29_Thu, 10 Feb 2000 10:07:44 EST564_US-ASCII Y'all know how I feel about that forward button, but every so often I like to go back to my academic roots:<br><br>A recently discovered translation of the world's first virus alert: Warning!!! if you receive a gift in the shape of a large wooden horse -- do not download it!!!! It is extremely destructive and will overwrite your entire city! The 'gift' is disguised as a large wooden horse about two stories tall. it tends to show up outside the city gates and appears to be abandoned. Do not let it through the gates! it contains hardware that is [...]
1684 50 26_Re: 15th Workshop chaverim14_Billie Stevens19_bsgsphd@hotmail.com29_Thu, 10 Feb 2000 15:44:35 EST395_- Hi Rubin (altho that still sounds odd to me...in my mind and memories you are Bobby) IF you don't have current contact info for Ira Hurvitz, it is: Rechov Bialik 139/1 Beersheva, ISRAEL (phone#) 07-6231969 email: irah@barak-online.net<br><br>I'm working on the same job for the 20th workshop. Didn't know if you knew that Nancy & Ira had left the kibbutz. They are still married, though. [...]
1735 24 29_Re: world's first virus alert0_15_NEVETS2@aol.com29_Fri, 11 Feb 2000 01:23:40 EST483_US-ASCII <br><br>In a message dated 2/11/00 12:23:54 AM, Rachelbern@aol.com writes:<br><br><< world's first virus alert >><br><br>I thought it was the one about the apples from that lovely tree over there in the garden...<br><br>That was a bummer!<br><br>Chaver Steve<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Internet Consortium http://shamash.org ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
1760 75 45_SOS: 23rd Workshop(maayan Baruch) Chevrah MIA11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@erols.com31_Fri, 11 Feb 2000 07:48:29 -0500556_us-ascii Dear Chevre-<br><br>I seemed to have made an excellent career choice when I decided not to open a missing persons' bureau. Soon after I agreed to captain the 23rd Workshop at Maayan Baruch, I discovered my total lack of qualifications--namely, my mother threw out my Shnaton ages ago, I had lost touch with almost everyone so long ago that my trails are mostly 26 years old, and I had forgotten a least half the names of my chevrah. It turns out that God is also a old socialist zionist and he now works via the internet because in my moment [...]
1836 102 18_tavor reunion 20000_15_Hamsa97@aol.com29_Fri, 11 Feb 2000 09:28:41 EST751_US-ASCII For the Tavor reunion we could really use help finding the following folks:<br><br>Need current addresses:<br><br><br><br>Abrams, Amy Abrams, Beth Abrams, Richard Antman, Sue Glaberson Bander, Laura Banks, David Becker, Marty Berliant, Marcus Bitterman, Hannah Bitterman, Sheldon Blasberg, Serge Blasiola, Lisa Blumenberg, Sharon Brauer, DAVID Cook, CHERYL Davison, Elihu Diamond, Lani Drachler, DAN Eherenberg, ALAN Ellis, ARIENNE Elovic, Andy Fagan, Lizzie & Michael Friedland Farber, Steven Fisch, MIRIAM Frankel, Lois Franklin, Danny Friedman, Allan Frischer, Amie Frischer, MARC Glickstein, AVA LEVINE Goldman, JANET Greenberg, Becky Guz, ELIZABETH COOPER Handelman, ANITA Hante, JUDY PINCUS Hasson, NAOMI PINCUS Honet, JIM & ROGER [...]
1939 18 22_Re: tavor reunion 200013_David Sherbin16_dsherbin@fmo.com31_Fri, 11 Feb 2000 09:57:24 -0500403_us-ascii <br><br>my brother's address is 556 Oak, Birmingham, MI 48009. As promised, I'll get you the Honet's address and Miriam Zemmol's.<br><br>Hope to hear from you soon. David<br><br><br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Internet Consortium http://shamash.org ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
1958 23 49_Re: SOS: 23rd Workshop(maayan Baruch) Chevrah MIA0_18_Rachelbern@aol.com29_Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:39:36 EST365_US-ASCII Judy and others doing Workshop searches,<br><br>For people originating in the DC area, the Na'amat directory can be a great locating source if you have their mother's name, or even an address for the old family homestead. The Na'amat office number is 301-649-4901, open Mon., Tues., and Thurs. Mina Keller's mom, Celia, is definitely a Naamat member. [...]
1982 19 23_Re: HABONET digest 14400_15_Brrhead@aol.com29_Fri, 11 Feb 2000 12:57:02 EST367_US-ASCII Hi Ezra,<br><br>Just want to make sure you received the fax last week from me on the 25th Workshop Ma'ayan Baruch.<br><br>Rachel Subrin Jensen<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Internet Consortium http://shamash.org ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
2002 19 22_Re: tavor reunion 20000_16_Aborciah@aol.com29_Fri, 11 Feb 2000 13:42:04 EST304_US-ASCII I'm forwarding this to my daughter, Rhonda Malina. I believe that she's in contact with at least a couple of the people on the list. Also, though I don't have a clue as to where they are, could you be looking for Kenneth & Sheldon Kaiz (or were there also Katzes with the same first name)? [...]
2022 15 8_politics13_Elihu Davison21_EliD@worldnet.att.net31_Fri, 11 Feb 2000 15:22:44 -0500345_us-ascii What do members of Knesset and Pampers have in common? They both need to be changed frequently, and for the same reason.<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Internet Consortium http://shamash.org ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
2038 18 23_Re: HABONET digest 144220_Sima Goldfarb-Rivlin19_rivlin@canaan.co.il31_Sat, 12 Feb 2000 11:44:39 +0200366_us-ascii >Judy shalom, I >JoBeth Ronay - married Shmuel Ben Yehuda - Freak (za"l) and Heddie's son, and is still living on Maayan Baruch.<br><br>-Sima<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Internet Consortium http://shamash.org ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
2057 17 23_Re: HABONET digest 14420_18_GeeDoubleU@aol.com29_Sun, 13 Feb 2000 02:34:57 EST372_US-ASCII Found this listing for a Tintinger Dan............ (425) 745-9700 17001 73rd Pl W EDMONDS WA 98026 In the US West directory. Is he the same person?<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Internet Consortium http://shamash.org ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
2075 63 9_Re: Golan20_Sima Goldfarb-Rivlin19_rivlin@canaan.co.il31_Sun, 13 Feb 2000 22:13:32 +0200573_us-ascii At 00:23 07/02/00 EST, you wrote:<br><br>>Dear Sima, > >Could you please give us your position, living where you happen to live, >from up there, on an eventual peace treaty with Syria and an eventual return >of the area where you now have your home to Syria. I am not asking for a >political or ideological treatise on the subject, just your gut feeling and >view from there on current developments, such as a possible referendum, >for example. A while ago another member of this list from Kibbutz Mevo >Hamah offered her view (and what a view they have from [...]
2139 59 9_Re: Golan13_Yuval Warshai16_warshais@tir.com31_Sun, 13 Feb 2000 18:31:47 -0800567_- Dear Sima,<br><br>Thanks a lot for your carefully thought and worded reply to my question. I can understand and sympathize completely with the feelings you express. I hope that an agreement is forthcoming soon enough, and that in the framework of such an agreement you and your family and your whole community will be helped by the government of Israel, by the Jewish people, and by us all, to rebuild your homes and your communities in a new location (probably in the Galil?) to your liking. I would also hope that in a true and just peace agreement the town [...]
2199 37 5_GOLAN15_mendy mendelson24_frenchhorn81@hotmail.com29_Mon, 14 Feb 2000 01:49:48 PST506_- <br><br>Hi Sima, I may be putting myself out on a limb and I guess you will be getting alot of flack from all sorts of people but.... good girl!!! As one of the people that lived under the guns of the Syrians up to the Six Day War, our kibbutz was constantly in danger of being shelled ,I feel that I have a right to express my total support for your stand on the issue. If we don't give peace a chance, who will? Once the Golan is evacuated we in the Galil become once again vulnerable to the guns [...]
2237 26 25_kibbutz debt crisis story11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@erols.com31_Mon, 14 Feb 2000 07:31:03 -0500401_us-ascii Dear Chevre-<br><br>Let me thank all of you who have helped me find 10 of my missing 23rd workshop chevre. I repay all your kindness with this interesting story on the kibbutz debt problems originating in the 80's:<br><br>http://www3.haaretz.co.il/eng/scripts/article.asp?mador=5&datee=02/14/00&id=68838<br><br>If you have info on any one, I am still in need. 13 people are still "MIA". [...]
2264 16 5_Golan12_Stan Goldman17_stan@inter.net.il31_Mon, 14 Feb 2000 16:25:38 +0200407_us-ascii Once again those of us who live here are more willing to take risks. Those of you who live outside of Israel are worried about us and care about Israel but you are more conservitive.<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Internet Consortium http://shamash.org ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
2281 17 16_Re: Nancy Gordon0_17_EZREITER1@aol.com29_Mon, 14 Feb 2000 09:30:05 EST426_US-ASCII If this is Nancy Gordon from the 10th workshop please get in touch with me or Helen Frenkley directly. Thank you. Esther Reiter Esther Reiter ezreiter1@aol.com Helen Frenkley HelenF@neot-kedumim.org.il<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Internet Consortium http://shamash.org ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
2299 78 9_Re: Golan12_Dov Liberman16_DLiberman@UH.EDU37_Mon, 14 Feb 2000 10:48:02 -0600 (CST)364_us-ascii Dear Sima,<br><br>I too was moved by your beautiful portrayal of your emotional agonies and your sincere hopes for a just and lasting peace. The latter is, of course, the key. What a tragedy it would be for you and the other heroes who have made a life on the Golan to lose all you have built and for there to be anything but a full peace in return. [...]
2378 67 20_Re: If you decide...16_Linda Hirschhorn18_vocolot@sirius.com31_Mon, 14 Feb 2000 22:01:27 -0700551_us-ascii Please send me information on how I can register my daughter for Machaneh Gilboa- Thanks Linda Hirschhorn<br><br>Ezra wrote:<br><br>> Kathy, > > If distance is your biggest worry, the closet Habonim Machaneh is Gilboa out > in Southern California. If you are serious about sending your child to a > Habonim Machaneh this summer, here are a couple tips that could make it > easier. > > 1. Get your child to recruit one of his local Jewish friends to go with > him/her. It's always easier to be a first time camper if you have a friend, > [...]
2446 81 20_Re: If you decide...5_Batel25_batel_libes@earthlink.net31_Mon, 14 Feb 2000 21:15:51 -0800602_us-ascii Gilboa has a site: www.gilboa.org you can find registration, along with phone numbers, there. If you need to speak with a parent of a chanicha, please feel free to write me or call me directly (I'll send you my phone number directly).<br><br>Welcome to Gilboa, Batel<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>Linda Hirschhorn wrote:<br><br>> Please send me information on how I can register my daughter for Machaneh > Gilboa- Thanks Linda Hirschhorn > > Ezra wrote: > > > Kathy, > > > > If distance is your biggest worry, the closet Habonim Machaneh is Gilboa out > > in Southern California. If you [...]
2528 23 5_Assad13_Yuval Warshai16_warshais@tir.com31_Tue, 15 Feb 2000 13:59:51 -0500490_iso-8859-1 Anybody interested on the prospects of peace from an inner Syrian perspective should read very carefully a transcript/translation of a speech by Farouq Shara published in the front page of today's Haaretz. Here we have a glimpse of true current Syrian strategic and diplomatic thinking, and how from those larger perspectives they are not interested any more (in the current structure of geo-political relations) just in a simple, direct military confrontation. ___ |Y| ^^^ [...]
2552 20 6_GILBOA0_15_RONOREN@aol.com29_Tue, 15 Feb 2000 19:58:16 EST368_US-ASCII Ezra, That was an accurate and helpful list of suggestions for parents contemplating a first Habonim-Dror camping experience! Linda was contacted off-list about Gilboa, but I thought I'd remind the list of Gilboa's website: www.gilboa.org It's chock-full of more info than any human can process, and best of all, it was created by Gilad Egar, a chanich. [...]
2573 22 14_David Oderberg11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@erols.com31_Tue, 15 Feb 2000 18:31:13 -0500392_us-ascii Dear David --<br><br>Are you out there in Habo-land? I lost your email address.<br><br>Does anyone else have it? Please help me out!<br><br>Warmly- Judy Gelman<br><br><br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Internet Consortium http://shamash.org ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
2596 141 7_Austria13_Elihu Davison21_EliD@worldnet.att.net31_Wed, 16 Feb 2000 10:12:39 -0500360_us-ascii The following piece came to me on the net. I think it is important and wanted to share it. ELIHU DAVISON<br><br><br><br>WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT IS DONE TO HUMAN RIGHTS AND HUMAN > >DIGNITY IN OUR COUNTRY. > > We do not feel obliged to claim Austria's "innocence." The to-be > government is in support of the majority of Austria's population. [...]
2738 70 29_Land Use Numbers on West Bank13_Yuval Warshai16_warshais@tir.com31_Wed, 16 Feb 2000 11:09:00 -0500617_iso-8859-1 Chaverim shalom,<br><br>Here is an eye opener from today's Haaretz on Shalom Achshav research on land use by settlements in the West Bank. Especially useful is the data below about the size in dunams of the 4 biggest settlements ("Peace Now's report also ranked the settlements in terms of size, disclosing that Ma'ale Adumim (3,405 dunams) is the largest, followed by Ariel (2,903 dunams), Givat Ze'ev (1,935) and Efrat (1,509)."), but also the fact they are using satellite pictures in their research and their fight for public disclosure of official government data. As we all know, land is a very [...]
2809 148 21_Theodore Bikel letter10_Ori Siegel17_oris@interlog.com31_Wed, 16 Feb 2000 21:02:51 -0500613_us-ascii Shalom chaverim,<br><br>The following letter was posted on another list as a follow-up to a thread on the exclusionary hiring practices of the Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra. In light of recent political developments in Austria, I thought this might be of interest to Habonet.<br><br>--------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>'Scratch a Xenophobe and You Find an Anti-Semite':<br><br>Austrian-Born Theodore Bikel, An AJCongress Officer, Alarmed At Haider's Party's Inclusion in Government, Rejects Invitation From Austrian Official to Participate in Hollywood Event [...]
2958 24 14_sam f on Radio0_17_Smfgrappa@aol.com29_Thu, 17 Feb 2000 02:16:52 EST367_US-ASCII Just wanted to let anyone interested know that my music will be featured on the Radio..The station is WBCQ ...and it can be heard on 7.146 Megaherz short wave all over the western hemisphere or on the inter net at www.wbcq.com The next four shows on saturday night will include features on my music and the run from 10 to midnight eastern standard time [...]
2983 30 23_last call for chadashot12_trilby smith17_trilbys@erols.com31_Thu, 17 Feb 2000 07:06:02 -0500344_us-ascii Dear Chevre, Tomorrow is the last day that I can possibly take submissions for chadashot (the Habonim Dror Foundation Newsletter, coming out in April).<br><br>I am looking for information on any alumni activity, and so far this is what I have:<br><br>New York Kumzitz Tavor Reunion Moshava Reunion Ruach Galil hosting the Hadarys [...]
3014 37 32_Appeared in Global Jewish Agenda11_Bruce Arbit17_barbit@abdata.com31_Thu, 17 Feb 2000 17:27:41 -0600631_iso-8859-1 HABONIM-DROR CALLS FOR BOYCOTT OF HOTEL THAT HOSTED HAIDER IN LONDON<br><br>Student movements at different ends of the political spectrum joined forces this week to protest Joerg Haider’s visit to England. Protesters from Habonim-Dror, associated with the Labor movement, and Tagar, the student branch of Betar-Tagar, associated with Likud, protested outside London’s Park Lane Hilton Hotel, which hosted a press conference held by Haider. According to the hotel’s spokesperson, “The booking was made by the Austrian Embassy as a private function. Habonim Dror called for the Jewish community to boycott the hotel. [...]
3052 20 36_Re: Appeared in Global Jewish Agenda0_22_Richardrdsmith@aol.com29_Thu, 17 Feb 2000 21:57:47 EST369_US-ASCII Why boycott a hotel. Are we suggesting that this hotel should only allow people with the correct political agenda to use their facilities? Is it only me, or does a coalition of Habonim and Batar bother others. I'm sure most of those freedom loving folks in Batar would want to boycott the hotel if they allowed Peace Now to have a press conference there. [...]
3073 15 27_Re: last call for chadashot0_17_JackNusan@aol.com29_Thu, 17 Feb 2000 22:40:20 EST353_US-ASCII Yes, a list of people and some background on those who attended Tavor or Moshava and who have died. Sincerely, Jack Nusan Porter<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Internet Consortium http://shamash.org ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
3089 15 36_Re: Appeared in Global Jewish Agenda0_17_JackNusan@aol.com29_Thu, 17 Feb 2000 22:48:15 EST377_US-ASCII The ADL has withheld major boycotts. I think we should also wait a bit to see what Haider's policies will be before we pass judgement--Jack Nusan Porter<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Internet Consortium http://shamash.org ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
3105 20 36_Re: Appeared in Global Jewish Agenda0_17_JackNusan@aol.com29_Thu, 17 Feb 2000 23:02:14 EST510_US-ASCII I agree with Richard for his reasons and my earlier one--let us take the lead from Abe Foxman and the ADL and wait to see what Haider actually does, and not base our actions on "panic" and "following the crowd". If this sounds like appeasement, it isn't. I'm the son of Holocaust survivors. I hate all anti-semites. I simply don't know enough about Haider and his party and what he will do, to pass judgement now. I also do not want to isolate Austria at this point. Sincerely, Jack Nusan Porter [...]
3126 29 15_My latest books0_17_JackNusan@aol.com29_Thu, 17 Feb 2000 23:20:02 EST636_US-ASCII My latest books: "The Sociology of the Holocaust and Genocide" and "The Sociology of Jewry", both excellent for sichot, classroom texts, or libraries, can be ordered for $21.50 each from the American Sociological Association, 1307 New York Ave., NW, Suite 700, Washington, DC 20005. Also, I have six entries and major contributions to other entries in the new "Encyclopedia of Genocide" edited by Israel W. Charny of Jerusalem. The 700-plus two volumes can be purchased from ABC-Clio, Inc., 130 Cremona Drive, POBox 1911, Santa Barbara, CA 93116-1911. It's $157. Sorry about that, but well worth it! And finally, my entry [...]
3156 25 17_song about my mom0_17_Smfgrappa@aol.com29_Fri, 18 Feb 2000 00:34:52 EST315_US-ASCII several of you requested the song about my mom Rainy day children....I just got a recording of that....I know pearl wantfed one...some one else...I can send you a recording of that. Just he mail me at smfgrappa@aol.com and I figure out a way to get it to you. I will include free my song about Rabin. [...]
3182 32 32_Appeared in Global Jewish Agenda11_Bruce Arbit17_barbit@abdata.com31_Fri, 18 Feb 2000 09:23:05 -0600523_us-ascii When I posted the hotel boycott article, I did not endorse it. I only wanted to share that Habonim/Dror was in the news. I was a little miffed by some of the responses.<br><br>I found the "WE" to be intriguing. Those of us over 40 (and that includes Jackie FOR SURE- Hi Jack!)) are supposed to be on virtual Prozac by now. We are not Habonim Dror, we are Habonim alumni. We are members of the chamoola so to speak, but not the players. Part of the glory of Habonim in our lives was that it was always a youth [...]
3215 26 19_Re: My latest books0_18_Green88888@aol.com29_Fri, 18 Feb 2000 17:46:52 EST275_US-ASCII Jack, your books sound great - I will try to read at least one of them. Speaking of books, I friend of mine ( also an ex habonimnek) was at the Jewish Museum in New York and saw a book called Reform Zionism by Michael Livne (Langer). Is this writer Max Langer? [...]
3242 60 66_Haider and Austrian Fascism : Was Appeared in Global Jewish Agenda10_Clive Home21_clive.rosen@tesco.net31_Fri, 18 Feb 2000 23:55:46 -0000351_iso-8859-1 Having visited Vienna several times in the last two or three years, and consequently had the opportunity to make a number if good friends there, I can fairly assuredly report to this list that they (my friends) are pretty certain about Haider. He is every bit the Fascist that the press have reported him to be, and perhaps some more. [...]
3303 24 10_Re: Haidar13_David Mallach25_dmallach@worldnet.att.net31_Fri, 18 Feb 2000 20:14:29 -0500583_iso-8859-1 Why are we so afraid to acknowledge that a Nazi is a Nazi. I do not find anything wrong with expecting someone to be held responsbile for his statements and the policies that he has advocated. It is also rather interesting that people are citing Abe Foxman as the authority, ADL has, as it did with teh Swiss banking issue, taking a very low key and non-confrontational stand, which does not reflect most of the organized Jewish community, nor the governments of Europe. While I would ahve preferred another target for a boycott than a hotel where a press ocnference [...]
3328 18 10_Re: Haidar0_22_Richardrdsmith@aol.com29_Fri, 18 Feb 2000 22:37:52 EST393_US-ASCII I never meant to suggest that there was nothing wrong with the new government in Austria. Nor would I suggest that people should not protest against it. I just don't think the Hilton Hotel is responsible. A boycott should be used against people, companies, countries ... that do things that are bad. Renting out a room to hold a press conference is not something I consider bad. [...]
3347 61 36_RE: Appeared in Global Jewish Agenda12_Dave Edelman25_dave.edelman@citicorp.com31_Sat, 19 Feb 2000 04:13:54 -0500335_iso-8859-1 As a very frequent guest of the hotel in question (just over 20 months total when I checked out yesterday) I can assure everyone on the list that they have no political persuasion whatsoever. It does happen to be one of the very few sites in London that is pre-wired and appropriately lighted for television broadcast. [...]
3409 47 10_virtuality13_Elihu Davison21_EliD@worldnet.att.net31_Sat, 19 Feb 2000 10:49:24 -0500326_us-ascii In Habonet 1449, Bruce Arbit wrote<br><br>> Those of us over 40 (and that > includes Jackie FOR SURE- Hi Jack!)) are supposed to be on virtual > Prozac by now. > Bruce: Didn't you mean to write virtual viagra? After all, we're talking about alumni of Habonim. (Sorry about the dreadful double entendre.) ELIHU DAVISON
3457 49 25_Please help me understand11_Bruce Arbit17_barbit@abdata.com31_Sun, 20 Feb 2000 01:05:25 -0600427_us-ascii When I was a teenager in Habonim, one of our most cherished causes was the Grape Boycott. On Friday nights we would take the entire Ken out to a local grocery store and picket the store for carrying Grapes. Every once in a while someone would spray paint the grapes to make them inedible. We learned form Talmud that the fruits of an oppressed worker are treif. The grapes were certainly not even kosher anymore. [...]
3507 34 29_Re: Please help me understand11_David Ferri26_david-ferri@wordmaster.com31_Sun, 20 Feb 2000 11:40:03 -0600479_us-ascii At 01:05 -0600 02/20/2000, Bruce Arbit wrote: >When I was a teenager in Habonim, one of our most cherished causes was >the Grape Boycott. On Friday nights we would take the entire Ken out to >a local grocery store and picket the store for carrying Grapes. Every >once in a while someone would spray paint the grapes to make them >inedible. We learned form Talmud that the fruits of an oppressed worker >are treif. The grapes were certainly not even kosher anymore. [...]
3542 34 29_Re: Please help me understand0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Sun, 20 Feb 2000 13:35:18 EST573_US-ASCII Dear Bruce... It seems to be ingrained in the Human Nature DNA to see the faults in others without seeing it in ourselves....and I think a little hypocrisy is part of that "cell.' How many Jews go to shul every week, utter "v'ahavta"- then go out into the world and act like jerks? Or God-fearing Christians who go to Church every Sunday and then go out and screw their neighbors for that matter??? And look at what has happened to the general labor force in Israel today....too many foreigners and not enough jobs for sabras- the development towns are shot, [...]
3577 30 11_jobs wanted14_Ethan Schwartz18_schwar@isdn.net.il31_Sun, 20 Feb 2000 23:54:47 +0200522_iso-8859-1 I'm looking for a job this summer, for myself and my wife, perhaps at one of the camps. I am an ex moshnik '68, '69 ,'71 km bet in Israel, 23rd workshop, Yotvata<br><br>I can do anything from general maintanance to driving or kitchen staff, ( I was Shelly's sgan in '73) or anything else. My wife did a very good job at mosh last summer in the kitchen, she can also be recertified as a lifeguard. I don't really remember what else us alta kokkers can do at a Youth movement camp, but we can do it well and [...]
3608 23 37_Hello everyone - Just Joined the List15_Batya Dashefsky24_batya_d@netvision.net.il31_Mon, 21 Feb 2000 07:54:56 +0200404_windows-1255 Hello Everyone, I just joined the list a few weeks ago and thought I would introduce myself. I'm Batya Dashefsky from Philadelphia Habonim and Galil. I joined the movement in 1959 and remained active until I came on aliya in 1969. I came to Jerusalem and this is where I have been for the last 30 years.I was in Galil the summers of 1963, 64,65. 1966- 67 Israel then back in camp 1969. [...]
3632 23 41_Re: Hello everyone - Just Joined the List22_Deborah M Tanzer-Cohen15_candeb@juno.com31_Mon, 21 Feb 2000 07:57:54 -0500427_- Dear Batya, I do remember you, although I was "just a mere babe" at the time. I was at Galil in '64 -"67, one of the gang from Wilmington. Welcome to the list. Debbie Tanzer-Cohen ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. [...]
3656 17 41_Re: Hello everyone - Just Joined the List0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Mon, 21 Feb 2000 08:27:11 EST413_US-ASCII BATYA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Howdy and welcome!!!! I have often thought about you and Arnie---Please tell us a little more--I am in LA and will tell you more privately.....Sue ( sie Freed) Liberman<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Internet Consortium http://shamash.org ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
3674 19 41_Re: Hello everyone - Just Joined the List0_17_Shulansid@aol.com29_Mon, 21 Feb 2000 08:56:30 EST417_US-ASCII Hi Batya<br><br>shula and sid troy here..... its a pleasure to see your name again. this is just a quick hello to let you know we are is happy to hear from you!<br><br>we are shulansid@aol.com<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Internet Consortium http://shamash.org ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
3694 29 15_RE: jobs wanted0_24_skolnik@netvision.net.il26_Fri, 4 Jan 80 23:13:48 PST583_iso-8859-1 Eitan, shalom, Hatlacha raba! Hope you get the job you are looking for. Were you able to get rehired in Eilat in gardening??? Do you ever consider relocating further north? I am a great believer in one-man maintenance and handyman companies. Especially in areas where there are a lot of Anglos, even though the Anglos are into do-it-yourself. In Israel many of them are lost as to how to function in that area. There is a big demand for just that type of company in the Ramat Beth Shemesh/Beth Shemesh area where the hundreds, perhaps thousands of Anglos there could [...]
3724 21 15_RE: jobs wanted0_24_skolnik@netvision.net.il26_Sat, 5 Jan 80 00:30:32 PST381_iso-8859-1 Sorry Habonet for the private correspondence that went on to the list. Why does that happen on the Habonet list and not on others I belong to? I hit the reply key on other lists and it goes only to the individual who wrote the letter and not to the list. pearl ------------------------------------- E-mail: skolnik@netvision.net.il Date: 05/01/80 Time: 12:30:33 AM [...]
3746 26 15_Re: jobs wanted0_15_DebALev@aol.com29_Mon, 21 Feb 2000 18:20:36 EST368_US-ASCII Pearl, what I learned from another list is that if you hit "reply", it might go to the entire list by default OR it might just go to the individual. I'm on six lists (at last count), and when I click on "reply" in five of them , it automatically goes to the entire list. So it has been my experience that the default reply is usually to the entire list. [...]
3773 41 32_Re: UFW vs. Gesher Haziv workers0_15_NEVETS2@aol.com29_Tue, 22 Feb 2000 02:26:10 EST338_US-ASCII <br><br>In a message dated 2/21/00 12:19:16 AM, Bruce writes:<br><br><< Why did we accept in Israel what we would not accept in the United States. Was it ideology? Or make believe idealism? Were we just young, naive, and not aware of how the world worked? >><br><br>Bruce, Shalom!<br><br>Not one to be an apologist, but.... [...]
3815 79 26_Please help me understand	12_Amnon Hadary22_amriv@netvision.net.il31_Tue, 22 Feb 2000 21:46:44 +0200544_iso-8859-1 Bruce Arbit wrote: "Why did we accept in Israel what we would not accept in the United States. Was it ideology? or make believe idealism? Dear Bruce, I'm sorry that I missed you. When you were in Gesher Haziv I had already left, but I'm still a socialist :). From friends who are still there I hear that you have reputation as a person with a fine mind, one who has little patience for fudging, and it is that which motivates me to take time out to respond to your communication. You say "I am now a professional capitalist." I [...]
3895 17 19_Re: My latest books0_17_JackNusan@aol.com29_Tue, 22 Feb 2000 22:16:50 EST302_US-ASCII Yes, Donna, Michael Livne may be Max Langer. I'll check it out. What town are you from? and what workshop or machaneh? I'd love to get your response to my books when you finish reading them or my entries in the Encyclopedia of Genocide. What kind of work do you do? B'shalom, JaCK Porter [...]
3913 25 29_Re: Please help me understand0_17_JackNusan@aol.com29_Tue, 22 Feb 2000 22:33:18 EST604_US-ASCII I'd like to second Amnon's response to Bruce Arbit. While that phrase, 25/40, heart, head sounds right; it's simply glib, and I wonder who made it up. And while it sounds "good", it's silly to believe in glib soundbites like that phrase. Maybe you didn't really believe in socialism in the first place; maybe you felt that Gesher Haziv should have been on a higher moral plane. Perhaps it should have been. But you forgot one important Marxian thing, Bruce--consciousness--one needs time for consciousness to develop; if it's not there; it's not there, Bruce. Your job was/is to raise that [...]
3939 32 19_Re: My latest books10_Gidon Elad21_gidel@hatzerim.org.il31_Wed, 23 Feb 2000 06:53:06 +0200602_iso-8859-8 Michael Livni IS Max langer. He is a member of Kibbutz Lotan in the Arava now. Gidon Elad -----Original Message----- From: JackNusan@aol.com <JackNusan@aol.com> To: habonet@shamash.org <habonet@shamash.org> Date: éåí øáéòé 23 ôáøåàø 2000 05:18 Subject: Re: My latest books<br><br><br><br>>Yes, Donna, Michael Livne may be Max Langer. I'll check it out. What town are >you from? and what workshop or machaneh? I'd love to get your response to my >books when you finish reading them or my entries in the Encyclopedia of >Genocide. What kind of work do you do? B'shalom, JaCK Porter > > > [...]
3972 157 25_Please help me understand11_Bruce Arbit17_barbit@abdata.com31_Wed, 23 Feb 2000 01:51:58 -0600582_us-ascii Ok, so pick on me. I will take on all comers. In order of their appearance or lack thereof:<br><br>1) My new friend, who lurks on Habonet, and works for the National Labor Relations Board: Thank you for your kind words.<br><br>2) Chaver Steve, the Nevetzer Rebbe: The Arab laborers that I spoke of were Israeli not Palestinian. The most likely short term outcome of a PA/Israel Peace is greater separation of Israelis and Arabs from the territories. This means that we can continue to import workers from the rest of the world, ready, willing and able to be exploited [...]
4130 43 29_Re: Please help me understand0_17_Smfgrappa@aol.com29_Wed, 23 Feb 2000 10:00:05 EST578_US-ASCII Bruce Arbit. To be a capitalist in America is not like being a capitalist in Israel. In America 40 million people have no access to health care whatsoever and childcare is un available to working mothers. The social security disability system in this country is still a primative amoral waste land as is the workman's compensation system. I have watch both systems at work and the enlightened folks in the Israeli labor party have not built a perfect country. There is still plenty of room for Tikun Olam. But there is no such thing as a capitalist in America who [...]
4174 41 29_Re: Please help me understand12_Dov Liberman16_DLiberman@UH.EDU37_Wed, 23 Feb 2000 12:55:04 -0600 (CST)452_us-ascii One of the problems with the discussion of "socialism" and "capitalism" is that each word can designate so many different things. In my days in HHabonim we claimed to be democratic socialists opposed to Marxist dictatorships. And even the Nazis called their despicable system socialism. The same is true of capitalism. Are we talking about welfare states; the government guided capitalism of Japan; capitalism with no governmental input? [...]
4216 24 7_Peace??12_Dov Liberman16_DLiberman@UH.EDU37_Wed, 23 Feb 2000 12:59:02 -0600 (CST)570_us-ascii Another post FYI. Am I the only one nervous about a "peace" with Syria?<br><br>QUOTE OF THE DAY: "...even the Baath Party, of which I have the honor of being a member, understands that restoring Palestine in its entirety is a long-term strategic goal, that cannot be achieved in one stage... The first stage is the stage of restoring the occupied lands [of 1967] and of guaranteeing the national inalienable right of the Palestinian Arab people." - Syrian Foreign Minister Farouk A-Shara, speaking to the Arab Writers Association in Syria on Jan. 27, 2000 [...]
4241 50 29_Re: Please help me understand12_Dov Liberman16_DLiberman@UH.EDU37_Wed, 23 Feb 2000 13:14:13 -0600 (CST)612_us-ascii Universal health care in the USA--now there is a modern goal worthy of the efforts of Labor Zionists now living there. Sam is onto something.<br><br><br><br>>Bruce Arbit. To be a capitalist in America is not like being a capitalist in >Israel. In America 40 million people have no access to health care whatsoever >and childcare is un available to working mothers. The social security >disability system in this country is still a primative amoral waste land as >is the workman's compensation system. I have watch both systems at work and >the enlightened folks in the Israeli labor party have not [...]
4292 42 36_You don't have to daven to be Jewish0_15_NEVETS2@aol.com29_Wed, 23 Feb 2000 15:28:15 EST510_US-ASCII Chevre, shalom!<br><br>The following came across my screen and I hope it's an indication of more thinking like this to come in the Jewish community.<br><br>If you look at Labor Zionists, we've been a "different" kind of Jew for 100 years now. With new perspectives on Jewish evolution like this beginning to pervade the Jewish community, we Labor Zionists may finally be rediscovered as the cutting edge in the transformation of modern Judaism. Heck - isn't that what Zionism's really all about? [...]
4335 36 11_Re: Peace??8_JON BAUM19_jonbaum@sasa.org.il31_Wed, 23 Feb 2000 22:31:11 +0200606_iso-8859-1 No, Dov, you're not the only one who's nervous. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dov Liberman <DLiberman@UH.EDU> To: <habonet@shamash.org> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 8:59 PM Subject: Peace??<br><br><br><br>> Another post FYI. Am I the only one nervous about a "peace" with Syria? > > QUOTE OF THE DAY: > "...even the Baath Party, of which I have the honor of being a member, > understands that restoring Palestine in its entirety is a long-term > strategic goal, that cannot be achieved in one stage... The first stage is > the stage of restoring the occupied lands [of 1967] and [...]
4372 58 40_Re: You don't have to daven to be Jewish8_JON BAUM19_jonbaum@sasa.org.il31_Wed, 23 Feb 2000 22:34:27 +0200619_iso-8859-1 Sorry Steve. Zionism isn't about intermarriage and loss of identity. Rather the opposite. ----- Original Message ----- From: <NEVETS2@aol.com> To: <habonet@shamash.org> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 10:28 PM Subject: You don't have to daven to be Jewish<br><br><br><br>> Chevre, shalom! > > The following came across my screen and I hope it's an indication of more > thinking like this to come in the Jewish community. > > If you look at Labor Zionists, we've been a "different" kind of Jew for 100 > years now. With new perspectives on Jewish evolution like this beginning to > pervade the Jewish [...]
4431 50 11_RE: Peace??9_Dan Wenke25_danwenke@netvision.net.il31_Wed, 23 Feb 2000 22:57:02 +0200548_iso-8859-1 I live 3000 meters from the new border with Syria. If we are not nervous, why are you. They Syrian Army is rust. There are no private banks. The country is one of the most backwards of all the Arab countries. I have Druse that work for me that have studied in Damascus. The average income there in $900.00 per year. Soldiers that run across the border on the Hermon in the night make report that their monthly salaries are about $1.00 per month as opposed to the 400 NIS salary of a drafted Israeli soldier. Saber rattling there is [...]
4482 63 29_Re: Please help me understand0_18_Rachelbern@aol.com29_Wed, 23 Feb 2000 17:42:30 EST585_US-ASCII On this topic, I'm hardly in the league of those who have been responding to Bruce, but I'm going to try and explain my feeling that we're confusing two things here: the way one earns/views money is NOT necessarily equivalent to one's moral inclinations.<br><br>Yes, in the big world view, if every individual on earth happily embraced socialism in all aspects of their lives specifically because it's an equality-based system that recognizes talents, compensates for their weak spots, and cares for everyone from cradle to grave, well then that would be a lovely thing. [...]
4546 30 15_Re: jobs wanted14_Ethan Schwartz18_schwar@isdn.net.il31_Thu, 24 Feb 2000 10:49:57 +0200553_iso-8859-1 Pearl Shalom<br><br>I really don't mind discussing my job situation on the habonet, I think it provides a little reality to the Zionist dream we all have or had . For the past year I have been working in a lab repairing and building computers, I have a knack for it although it does not have the rewards of gardening. Every morning I work 2 hours at our local elementary school in their childrens farm, it is a project sponsored by keren karev. I maintain sanity only because of those two hours. Next year they want to increase my hours [...]
4577 31 29_Re: Please help me understand0_14_KBob24@aol.com29_Thu, 24 Feb 2000 07:33:41 EST589_US-ASCII In a message dated 2/20/00 2:06:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, barbit@abdata.com writes:<br><br><< Why did we accept in Israel what we would not accept in the United States. Was it ideology? or make believe idealism? Were we just young, naive, and not aware of how the world worked? >><br><br>You know, Bruce, when we were at Gezer in the 70's and 80's, in what everyone called the "American Island," weeding our own cotten and picking our own melons, everyone called us crazy not to hire Arabs. We were considered crazy because we thought that if we believed something in the [...]
4609 16 29_Re: Please help me understand0_14_FIZNIK@aol.com29_Thu, 24 Feb 2000 08:36:01 EST402_US-ASCII for those of you who know the Minkoff family in Madison, Wisconsin. Evelyn Minkoff, the mother of Joel, Marc, Freddie and David passed away this week. She was a wonderful woman.<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Internet Consortium http://shamash.org ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
4626 14 29_Re: Please help me understand0_15_Emabear@aol.com29_Thu, 24 Feb 2000 10:33:36 EST251_US-ASCII Thank you. Meaningly said.<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Internet Consortium http://shamash.org ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
4641 25 31_judithb253 temporarily off-line0_18_Rachelbern@aol.com29_Thu, 24 Feb 2000 10:57:48 EST342_US-ASCII I've been asked to pass on the message that Judy Bernhardt's email system remains down. Repairs are not expected to commence for at least another week.<br><br>Urgent* messages can be sent to her via <<Rachelbern@aol.com>>. Phone calls and mail arriving through the postal service to Judy and Max's home** will also be accepted. [...]
4667 81 13_Buying a Pipe12_Amnon Hadary22_amriv@netvision.net.il31_Thu, 24 Feb 2000 22:02:29 +0200565_us-ascii Bruce, Earlier I mentioned that I was taking time off from my work to enter the fray. I'm at work on a book on the Jewishness of modern hebrew literature and it's too bad that I can't stretch its scope to include Habonet. If there is anything that comes straight out of the traditional Jewish 'shaklah v'taryah' discussions and debates, some of the discussions we have here resonate with that tradition. I guess that the prooftext for our new round of sichot should be your opening: "Why did we accept in Israel what we would not accept in the United [...]
4749 83 74_HDNA Takes Lead in Organizing Zionist Youth Movement Anti-Haider Coalition11_Jared Matas22_mazkir@habonimdror.org31_Thu, 24 Feb 2000 17:56:33 -0500662_iso-8859-1 Shalom Chevrei,<br><br>All New York area chevrei are invited to join us at a protest this Sunday, Feb 20th, at 1PM, against the Freedom Party's entry into the Austrian government.<br><br>An "Anti-Nazi Coalition" has been formed for this protest, which includes a broad range of partners from all ranges of the Jewish spectrum. After some hesitation about entering into a coalition with some of the members of this coalition (like the Jabotinsky-loving Jewish Defense Organization), and after Michael 'Tikkun' Lerner gave this event his hechtsher, Habonim Dror has taken a leading role encouraging the other Zionist youth movements to participate [...]
4833 20 17_Re: Buying a Pipe0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Thu, 24 Feb 2000 19:45:19 EST473_US-ASCII In a message dated 2/24/00 12:03:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, amriv@netvision.net.il writes:<br><br><< Capitalism is about having goodies, >><br><br>Happy is the man who knows how to get a lot of goodies, then do good with the goodies he got.......<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Internet Consortium http://shamash.org ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
4854 32 17_Re: Buying a Pipe12_Dov Liberman16_DLiberman@UH.EDU37_Thu, 24 Feb 2000 19:18:45 -0600 (CST)452_us-ascii Dear Sue,<br><br>When I was in Habonim I learned that socialism meant collective production and collective consumption. That sounds like goodies to me.<br><br>Dov<br><br><br><br><br><br>>In a message dated 2/24/00 12:03:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, >amriv@netvision.net.il writes: > ><< Capitalism is about having goodies, >> > >Happy is the man who knows how to get a lot of goodies, then do good with the >goodies he got....... > > > > [...]
4887 32 20_Royal Palms and Snow0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Thu, 24 Feb 2000 21:31:16 EST591_US-ASCII Every day I drive through an Ansel Adams photograph. Today, on my way to a meeting , the tall Royal Palms and Cypress and Eucalyptus blew in the wind as the snowcapped San Gabriel Mountains rested in the pale pink of sunset light...Just the other day on my way to work at sunrise, a coyote ran across the path of my car in the Balboa Basin giving chase to a rabbit.....Desert trees and snow....predator and victim....socialists and capitalists....The entire world is a study in opposites, in revolutions, in flux...all searching for the balance. But with all of this, there is [...]
4920 64 26_Re: Zionism isn't about...0_15_NEVETS2@aol.com29_Thu, 24 Feb 2000 23:44:47 EST644_US-ASCII <br><br>In a message dated 2/24/00 12:06:32 AM, JON BAUM writes:<br><br>Sorry Steve. Zionism isn't about intermarriage and loss of identity. Rather the opposite. >><br><br>Jon, Shalom!<br><br>Precisely - the opposite!<br><br>Zionism, according to Zionists, is/was supposed to be the antidote to intermarriage and loss of Jewish identity in the Diaspora.<br><br>So have all of the other Jewish responses to living in "open" democratic societies that reduced persecution and allowed much fuller participation by Jewish citizens. They are all supposed to be the antidote to intermarriage and loss of Jewish identity in the Diaspora. [...]
4985 23 78_Re: HDNA Takes Lead in Organizing Zionist Youth Movement Anti-Haider Coalition0_13_SC523@aol.com29_Fri, 25 Feb 2000 02:40:46 EST377_US-ASCII <br><br>In a message dated 2/24/0 5:59:09 PM, you wrote:<br><br>> this Sunday, > >Feb 20th<br><br>Jared,<br><br>Did you mean Feb. 20th or Feb. 27th? ACC<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Internet Consortium http://shamash.org ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
5009 24 78_Re: HDNA Takes Lead in Organizing Zionist Youth Movement Anti-Haider Coalition0_13_JLCAA@aol.com29_Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:38:26 EST380_US-ASCII Aliya:<br><br>According to a fax we received in the office the date is Feb 27.<br><br>I am less than thrilled with some of the participants (JDO in particular) who are likely to usurp the event for their own organizational political goals.<br><br>Even though the cause is just -- and absolutely demands a response, we should choose who we sleep with very carefully. [...]
5034 21 21_Re: Please help me...13_Elihu Davison21_EliD@worldnet.att.net31_Fri, 25 Feb 2000 11:23:29 -0500480_us-ascii 1. The quote about head/heart is from Winston Churchill.<br><br>2. My workshop, the 17th in Urim, was torn by the hired workers from Ofakim who worked the orchard harvests in the same dreary conditions described by Bruce of Gesher Haziv. We excoriated the Kibbutz for this practice at the time. I wonder, now that Urim no longer has orchards, if it still has hired workers. And if so, are their working conditions as miserable as I remember them being 33 years ago? [...]
5056 29 17_Re: One two Punch0_15_NEVETS2@aol.com29_Fri, 25 Feb 2000 11:31:30 EST586_US-ASCII <br><br>Here's how my Habonet Digest delivered the mail today.<br><br><< 6) Buying a Pipe by Amnon Hadary <amriv@netvision.net.il> 7) HDNA Takes Lead in Organizing Zionist Youth Movement Anti-Haider Coalition by Jared Matas <mazkir@habonimdror.org> >><br><br>What a one-two punch!<br><br>Couldn't have been more perfect!<br><br>Shabat Shalom<br><br>Chaver Steve<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Internet Consortium http://shamash.org ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
5086 30 21_Re: Please help me...12_Dov Liberman16_DLiberman@UH.EDU37_Fri, 25 Feb 2000 12:13:35 -0600 (CST)573_us-ascii I lived in Ofakim for a year in the late early 1970's. I see the use of hired workers from that settlement as having been a Mitzvah. The people in the town were desparately poor. Any jobs provided to them were a blessing.<br><br>Dov<br><br>>1. The quote about head/heart is from Winston Churchill. > >2. My workshop, the 17th in Urim, was torn by the hired workers from >Ofakim who worked the orchard harvests in the same dreary conditions >described by Bruce of Gesher Haziv. We excoriated the Kibbutz for this >practice at the time. I wonder, now that Urim [...]
5117 16 15_Dov's questions12_Stan Goldman17_stan@inter.net.il31_Sat, 26 Feb 2000 10:02:01 +0200420_us-ascii I have spent a lot of time at Urim and know from what I have seen that the hired workers in Urims factory work side by side with members of the kibutz and working conditions are excelent for all.<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Internet Consortium http://shamash.org ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
5134 96 13_hired workers13_Elihu Davison21_EliD@worldnet.att.net31_Sat, 26 Feb 2000 12:47:47 -0500603_us-ascii In Habonet 1456, Dov Liberman recounts that<br><br>> I lived in Ofakim for a year in the late early 1970's. I see the use of > hired workers from that settlement as having been a Mitzvah. The people in > the town were desparately poor. Any jobs provided to them were a blessing. > Actually, I don't discount the economic poverty of the Ofakim residents. There was, however, by the lights of movement ideology, an intellectual poverty in Urim which didn't adequately confront the contradictions of kibbutz self-labor (avodah atzmit) hired labor versus hired labor. I didn't (then) have the [...]
5231 32 18_To Zev Yaroslavsky0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Sat, 26 Feb 2000 15:51:35 EST544_US-ASCII About a year ago there was an article in the LA Times about Ofakim, and I was saddened to read it. While Dov and I lived there, we had a great relationship with a lot of people- Our m'tapelet, Ruby, who watched over our son while we were at work int he schools was a nurse from India...She was very wise and wonderful, and when Dov's father visited from America and became a little sick, it was Ruby who gave him some "medicine" and he was better within a day....We shared holidays with the shools' "janitor", Eli and his family, [...]
5264 31 17_Re: hired workers0_14_FIZNIK@aol.com29_Sat, 26 Feb 2000 23:57:59 EST542_US-ASCII Boy, Elihu, I wouldn't normally respond to you, but, your self righteousnous just grabs me. Your next to last sentence indicates that Ofakim workers had no choice but had to work at Urim, and at that under duress. You were there for a year, I lived there for 5 years, and there are many more people on Habonet, including people still living on Urim that I wonder if they agree with you. I worked in that sadeh with the ofakim workers, they worked for me, and I also worked side by side with them in the sadeh and in irrigation, [...]
5296 104 18_more on self-labor13_moshe sheskin24_sheskin@barak-online.net31_Sun, 27 Feb 2000 20:41:42 +0200604_windows-1255 I am in full agreement with Elihu Davison in his appraisal of the hired workers situation from Ofakim. It would appear that chaverim forget a basic principle of kibbutz and that is hagshama atzmit therefore, no hired labor or in other words, "no exploitation and no profit from the work of others." When Ben Gurion asked the kibbutz movements to hire new immigrants because there was no other source of employment for them, his request was accepted and probably welcomed by many kibbutzim. This crack in the door unfortunately, has become somewhat akin to Niagra Falls. There is no way [...]
5401 20 5_worms16_Sharon Weissbach18_sgweis01@iglou.com37_Sun, 27 Feb 2000 22:22:19 -0500 (EST)408_US-ASCII About a year ago someone inadvertently sent a program to Habonet that contained a worm. Then a few months later directions were sent explaining how to correct the problem. If anyone has those directions, could you please post them again. I am not sure but think that perhaps my computer has been invested once again and the directions last time did take care of the problem. Thanks in advance. [...]
5422 16 18_more on self labor12_Stan Goldman17_stan@inter.net.il31_Mon, 28 Feb 2000 09:45:12 +0200352_us-ascii What is wrong with making a profit if that profit is used to raise the standard of living of the kibbutz membership ???<br><br><br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Internet Consortium http://shamash.org ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
5439 40 17_Re: hired workers0_17_Smfgrappa@aol.com29_Mon, 28 Feb 2000 10:42:06 EST567_US-ASCII I worked for many years in the fields of Gesher Haziv. The regular hired workers were well loved and loved the Meshek and worked their for many many years...weddings and bar mitzvahs were shared. there were both arab and Jews....The workers who came to pick the oranges were a different matter. They worked kablanut ---piece work and only for the katif and then they were gone. They were all Arab women and girls and the conditions were sometimes tense. One had to haggle with them at times on how much they had picked and stuff like that. The Rais who [...]
5480 29 19_peace and love plan11_Phil Safier17_psafier@elixa.com31_Mon, 28 Feb 2000 09:03:02 -0700483_us-ascii Now if we could get these enterprising Israeli professionals to distribute X to the Hezbollah, we would see a positive change in international attitudes. While they're at it, they should get the Haradim involved.<br><br>Subject: Ecstasy's Growth As Cult Drug Worries Federal Officials Pubdate: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 Source: Everett Herald (WA) Copyright: 2000 The Daily Herald Co. Contact: letters@heraldnet.com Website: http://www.heraldnet.com/ Author: The New York Times [...]
5510 90 17_Re: hired workers12_Alan Barland19_abarland@abdata.com31_Mon, 28 Feb 2000 10:23:32 -0600585_iso-8859-1 You must have lived and worked at a different Gesher Haziv than I did. Although on the surface the Arab and Jewish workers employed by the Kibbutz seemed happy with their lot they probably were not as happy as you thought. There were Arab workers who families owned the land that Gesher Haziv was established on. I am sure they appreciated the opportunity to work on the land their families formerly owned for minimum agricultural wages. With regards to the Jewish workers like Motel who I worked with for many years, I know they always felt exploited and never missed [...]
5601 36 17_Re: hired workers0_17_Smfgrappa@aol.com29_Mon, 28 Feb 2000 17:02:00 EST303_US-ASCII In a message dated 00-02-28 11:28:26 EST, you write:<br><br><< You must have lived and worked at a different Gesher Haziv than I did. Although on the surface the Arab and Jewish workers employed by the Kibbutz seemed happy with their lot they probably were not as happy as you thought. >> [...]
5638 55 17_Re: hired workers12_Alan Barland19_abarland@abdata.com31_Mon, 28 Feb 2000 17:23:51 -0600587_us-ascii I certainly never bragged about busting a labor union although in my present capacity I get paid to manage a company and its bottom line. I make no bones about carrying out my responsibility. I take the responsibility seriously and I try and manage the company to the benefit of both my board of directors and the people who work for me. Your attack on my performance in this capacity certainly has no connection with the topic under discussion which was the relationship between hired workers and the Kibbutz. I think that relationship was indicative of a serious flaw in [...]
5694 109 12_hired labor?13_moshe sheskin24_sheskin@barak-online.net31_Tue, 29 Feb 2000 05:15:15 +0200600_windows-1255 I am in full agreement with Elihu Davison in his appraisal of the hired workers situation from Ofakim and for that matter, the area of Gesher Haziv as well. It would appear that chaverim forget a basic principle of kibbutz and that is hagshama atzmit therefore, no hired labor or in other words, "no exploitation and no profit from the work of others." When Ben Gurion asked the kibbutz movements to hire new immigrants because there was no other source of employment for them, his request was accepted and probably welcomed by many kibbutzim. This crack in the door unfortunately, [...]
5804 84 17_Re: hired workers0_17_Smfgrappa@aol.com29_Tue, 29 Feb 2000 00:26:18 EST611_US-ASCII In a message dated 2/28/00 6:26:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, abarland@abdata.com writes:<br><br><< I certainly never bragged about busting a labor union although in my present capacity I get paid to manage a company and its bottom line. I make no bones about carrying out my responsibility. I take the responsibility seriously and I try and manage the company to the benefit of both my board of directors and the people who work for me. Your attack on my performance in this capacity certainly has no connection with the topic under discussion which was the relationship between hired workers and [...]
5889 39 23_Re: HABONET digest 14590_17_Artbenlou@aol.com29_Tue, 29 Feb 2000 00:32:23 EST655_US-ASCII In a message dated 02/29/2000 12:06:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, habonet@shamash.org writes:<br><br><< Subject: Ecstasy's Growth As Cult Drug Worries Federal Officials Pubdate: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 Source: Everett Herald (WA) Copyright: 2000 The Daily Herald Co. Contact: letters@heraldnet.com Website: http://www.heraldnet.com/ Author: The New York Times<br><br>An intelligence briefing paper issued by the federal Drug Enforcement Administration last year said that the involvement of Israeli organized crime syndicates, some with ties to Russian immi-grants associated with Russian organized crime, has "professionalized" the MDMA market. >> [...]
5929 58 17_Re: Happy Shmappy0_15_NEVETS2@aol.com29_Tue, 29 Feb 2000 01:27:58 EST387_US-ASCII <br><br>In a message dated 2/29/00 12:06:25 AM, Al writes:<br><br><< Although on the surface the Arab and Jewish workers employed by the Kibbutz seemed happy with their lot they probably were not as happy as you thought. >><br><br>Wasn't there also the argument that while Moshe Sheskin is right that Hagshamah atzmit was a great virtue, Tzedaka was also a greater virtue. [...]
5988 17 17_Re: hired workers0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Tue, 29 Feb 2000 10:44:56 EST358_US-ASCII In a message dated 2/28/00 9:27:40 PM Pacific Standard Time, Smfgrappa@aol.com writes:<br><br><< ow about a union shop at AB data. >><br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Internet Consortium http://shamash.org ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
6006 29 12_About Unions0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Tue, 29 Feb 2000 10:53:41 EST575_US-ASCII In a message dated 2/28/00 9:27:40 PM Pacific Standard Time, Smfgrappa@aol.com writes:<br><br><< ow about a union shop at AB data. >><br><br>I think it is time we were realistic about "unions"-- Not all of them are the great thing you make them out to be. Just look at what they have done in the entertainment industry. While healthcare and retirement benefits are important, they also had a role in the exodus of an entire section of the industry from Los Angeles which started in the mid 80's, drove up salaries to an exorbitant rate, and also put many other [...]
6036 63 18_Looking for a job?4_Ezra26_foundation@habonimdror.org31_Tue, 29 Feb 2000 12:23:40 -0500692_iso-8859-1 Tikun Olam full time job opportunity in Boston.<br><br>>-----Original Message----- >From: David Rosenn [mailto:Avodah.jsc@worldnet.att.net] >Sent: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 12:06 PM > >Job Opportunity > >Teen JCC, the Teen Program of the JCCs of Greater Boston is seeking a: > >SOCIAL JUSTICE PROGRAM COORDINATOR > > >The Social Justice Program Coordinator will be responsible for the social >action aspects of the teen program at the JCCs including Teens for Tzedek >an >innovative Israel exchange program that connects Boston and Haifa teens >through community service, and TeenJCC's social justice program. > >The Program Coordinator will: >* Plan and execute the program [...]